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In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Michael Cote from Pivotal Labs about \u201cprogramming the business\u201d to enable support for automation and moving towards DevOps.\n\nWhy listen to this podcast:\n\u2022\tIt\u2019s possible to move from deploying on a yearly basis to a daily basis \n\u2022\tAdopting a new process or approach often improves things dramatically, frequently because what was being done before was not effective rather than because of the effectiveness of the new way\n\u2022\tChange the structures so teams are focused on products, not projects, ensure all the roles needed are in the team and that they are fully dedicated to working on the product\n\u2022\tThe rift in many organizations between \u201cthe business\u201d and IT means that business people don\u2019t expect the software to be agile and responsive to their needs\n\u2022\tBusinesses which were founded in the tech space are inherently agile and they run using these approaches all the time. The challenge is bringing \u201ctraditional\u201d businesses down the same path\n\nMore on this: Quick scan our curated show notes on InfoQ https://bit.ly/2P3dud4\n\nYou can also subscribe to the InfoQ newsletter to receive weekly updates on the hottest topics from professional software development. bit.ly/24x3IVq\n\nSubscribe: www.youtube.com/infoq\nLike InfoQ on Facebook: bit.ly/2jmlyG8\nFollow on Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ\nFollow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq\nCheck the landing page on InfoQ: https://bit.ly/2P3dud4