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In this Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Michael Bolton about the current and future state of testing.\n\nWhy listen to this podcast:\n\n\u2022\tTesting is about evaluating products by learning about them through exploration and experimentation \n\u2022\tThese is confusion about the difference between testing a small bit of functionality and the complexity that arises when many of these small bits of software are combined into systems\n\u2022\tThe common approach of using unit tests and checking the output of transactions they are not looking for trouble, they are looking to demonstrate that everything is OK, and this is a dangerous perspective\n\u2022\tThe need for testing of machine learning so that it reflects what we aspire to be, rather than what we are, which requires testers to become ethicists, sociologists, psychologists, anthropologists and artists \n\u2022\tThe evolution of testing is not about changes in tools and technologies, it is about applying the tester mindset to the new types of systems being tested today\n\nMore on this: Quick scan our curated show notes on InfoQ https://bit.ly/2WPoRJ7\nYou can also subscribe to the InfoQ newsletter to receive weekly updates on the hottest topics from professional software development. bit.ly/24x3IVq\n\nSubscribe: www.youtube.com/infoq\nLike InfoQ on Facebook: bit.ly/2jmlyG8\nFollow on Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ\nFollow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq\nCheck the landing page on InfoQ: https://bit.ly/2WPoRJ7