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This is the Engineering Culture Podcast, from the people behind InfoQ.com and the QCon conferences.\n\nIn this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Kevin Callahan about positive organisational design and organisations as complex systems \n\nWhy listen to this podcast:\n\n\u2022\tPositive organisation development starts with areas where you are strong and builds on those, rather than focusing on weaknesses and negative areas \n\u2022\tInvolving people to open up \u201cwhat could be\u201d which starts a change effort that makes it possible to achieve\n\u2022\tStart by trusting that people want to do amazing work\n\u2022\tOrganisations are complex systems and need to be treated as such\n\u2022\tIn complex systems the balance of pressures is necessary, and in many organisations one or other area becomes predominant (eg revenue or cost saving pressure) and this causes the system to become brittle\n\nMore on this: Quick scan our curated show notes on InfoQ https://bit.ly/36Qj5fk\nYou can also subscribe to the InfoQ newsletter to receive weekly updates on the hottest topics from professional software development. bit.ly/24x3IVq\n\nSubscribe: www.youtube.com/infoq\nLike InfoQ on Facebook: bit.ly/2jmlyG8\nFollow on Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ\nFollow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq\nCheck the landing page on InfoQ: https://bit.ly/36Qj5fk