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Manuel Pais, InfoQ Lead Editor for DevOps, talks to John Willis, Director of Ecosystem Development for Docker and co-author of the "DevOps Handbook", on DevOps evolution, leadership and burnout.\n\nWhy listen to this podcast:\n\n - DevOps got watered down along the way, but its principles and practices will stay.\n - People can learn the technical side of DevOps with training but they need to follow up on case studies from organizations that went through similar journeys.\n - Still early days to be able to distill what are the good and bad DevOps leadership practices, but we at least know that blameless environments are much more productive.\n - We are missing a burnout survey in DevOps, number of people affected probably staggering high but no one knows for sure, so the problem gets underrated.\n - The new view on human error is that we need to look at the system that allowed people to make the mistakes in the first place.\n\nMore on this: Quick scan our curated show notes on InfoQ http://bit.ly/2rLIPrG\n\nYou can also subscribe to the InfoQ newsletter to receive weekly updates on the hottest topics from professional software development. bit.ly/24x3IVq\n\nSubscribe: www.youtube.com/infoq\nLike InfoQ on Facebook: bit.ly/2jmlyG8\nFollow on Twitter: twitter.com/InfoQ\nFollow on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/infoq\nWant to see extented shownotes? Check the landing page on InfoQ: http://bit.ly/2rLIPrG