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In this podcast Shane Hastie, Lead Editor for Culture & Methods, spoke to Aurynn Shaw about how DevOps, Microservices and other \u201ctechnical\u201d approaches are in fact cultural constraints on technical ideas and what\u2019s needed to make the culture sustainable. \n\nKey takeaways:\n* Running and testing a program on the developer desktop is not running the program\n* You must rethink the approach to building the software based on the way it will be deployed \n* DevOps isn\u2019t about the tooling \u2013 it is about the context in which we find ourselves\n* Sustainable DevOps is about understanding the system that makes up the organisation ecosystem and what needs to change to enable the new ways of working\n* Design the system to help prevent dangerous actions rather than laying blame when something goes wrong \n* As a technologist you want to say \u201cyes\u201d \u2013 fix the systems around you that force you to say \u201cno\u201d\n* When examining the system we will discover that we\u2019ve done things that we\u2019re not happy about and must accept that they happened without apportioning blame