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On this session of, The Bird & The Bear \u2026 Our hosts, Sammy Ray and Daryl Lazer, present the first installment in their next deep dive series on the history of the CIA \u2026 Starting with a discussion about the CIA\u2019s first official mission, Operation Paperclip \u2026 Content cited in this session: \u201cOperation Paperclip: The Secret Recruitment,\u201d Available on Tubi and PlutoTV - \u201cAnnie Jacobsen, \u2018Operation Paperclip,\u2019\u201d presented by Politics and Prose on YouTube - \u201cJoe Rogan | The Harsh Truths of Operation Paperclip (NASA & Nazi\u2019s) w/ Annie Jacobsen\u201d presented by JRE Clips on YouTube \u2026 Let\u2019s sort through it together!

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(0:00) - The session opens with our hosts explaining what lead them to do a deep dive on the history of Operation Paperclip - \u201cIt was hungry hungry hippos for Nazi war criminals.\u201d

(11:07) - Our hosts discuss the documentary, \u201cOperation Paperclip: The Secret Recruitment\u201c - \u201cThe world\u2019s biggest superpower ever \u2026 The richest country in history \u2026 That has 1600 scientists \u2026 That know nothing other than how to create s**t to kill people.\u201d

(17:50) - Our hosts breakdown how Germany exploited a loophole in the Treaty of Versailles - \u201cEven to this day, how western governments still make bad, near sighted policy decisions that ignore the harm that emerging technology almost always creates.\u201d

(30:00) - Our hosts focus their conversation on Wernher von Braun and comments he made about the use of V2 rockets in WW2 - \u201cWho does that sound like? Who said, \u2018There\u2019s good people on both sides.\u2019\u201d

(36:37) - Our hosts tangent for a moment as Daryl explains the multiple decisions that lead Germany to defeat in WW2 - \u201cLike, World War 2 will be a topic as long as humanity exists because it was such a turning point.\u201d

(41:28) - Our hosts continue to discuss Wernher von Braun\u2019s actions during WW2 and how he ended up in the hands of the Allied Forces - \u201cI have never seen somebody suck America\u2019s d**k so hard \u2026 Trying not to die.\u201d

(52:26) - Our hosts discuss the ethics of brining Wernher von Braun and other Nazi scientists to America - \u201cTactically speaking, I think we made the better play \u2026 Ethically speaking, I think we made the worst play.\u201d

(1:00:57) - Our hosts discuss Annie Jacobsen\u2019s presentation of her book, \u201cOperation Paperclip\u201d hosted by Politics and Prose - \u201cIf your a civilian and you do something really impactful, heroic for the US government, this is the highest honor you can get \u2026 Highest f**king honor you can get \u2026 And we gave it to a Nazi.\u201d

(1:15:31) - Our hosts criticize America for protecting the legacies of Nazi scientists brought over to the US in Operation Paperclip - \u201cWhy is it so hard for people to understand this? For liberals, to understand this \u2026 That people in power do evil things.\u201d

(1:23:47) - Our hosts discuss a dark truth about the Nuremberg Trials before closing out the session with their final thoughts on Operation Paperclip - \u201cI\u2019d rather be the ancestors of this s**t than actually be living in those f**king moments because at least now I can try do what I can to correct the past.\u201d