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Babcock Australasia chief executive David Ruff says the business is dedicated to investing in the future of the Australian defence industry. \u201cFor Babcock ... part of our business model is investing, on a long-term basis, with our customers [and] with governments to grow capabilities, to grow workforces [and] to grow skills,\u201d he explains. In this episode of the Defence Connect Podcast, Ruff reveals how the engineering support services business is growing its Australian arm \u201cindigenously\u201d and how its investment in local untapped talent, equipment and practices is improving Australian capabilities above and beyond the Defence Force. You\u2019ll also hear his thoughts on the ways in which the government is reforming the defence industry at large, collaboration and competition as a means of driving growth, and why he believes future projects on Babcock's horizon will enable the team to lead the way in the defence space. Enjoy the podcast, The Defence Connect team.