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Dr Phyllis Gardner, Stanford professor and Theranos critic: "I'll only really feel good if she's convicted"

Published: March 22, 2019, 3 a.m.

The Sunday Times\u2019 tech correspondent brings on Dr Phyllis Gardner, the Standord medical professor who came across Elizabeth Holmes before she started Theranos and then worked behind the scenes to expose her, to talk about her background at Stanford (4:00), and in industry (5:00), meeting a young Elizabeth Holmes (6:55), rejecting her first idea (8:10), using her \u201ccharm\u201d to accumulate prominent men (10:30), how Gardner got drawn in to the group of Theranos doubters (12:45), meeting John Carreyrou, The Wall Street Journal reporter who uncovered the scandal (16:50), how Holmes was appointed to Harvard\u2019s Medical Board of Fellows (17:40), feeling lonely as a Theranos sceptic (21:45), the whistleblowers (23:00), why \u201cfake it till you make it\u201d doesn\u2019t work in medicine (24:30), hurting the cause of women in business (25:45), Theranos\u2019 legal attack dog (28:10), Holmes\u2019 new company (30:00), the human costs of the fraud (31:55), the employees who quit (35:45), and why more women did not speak (38:20).

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