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The Sunday Times\u2019 tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Baroness Beeban Kidron talk about her crusade against Big Tech, \u201cage appropriate\u201d design (1:40), turning 50 pages of terms and conditions into a couple sentences (2:50), the industry\u2019s \u201ccategory error\u201d (4:30), why kids are considered kids online at 13 (7:50), how the smartphone changed everything (9:50), making the digital world look more like the real world (11:50), why the tech \u2018nation-states\u2019 need to assume more responsibilities (14:45), the turning tide of public opinion (16:00), industry being its own worst enemy (18:45), the tech \u2018cartel\u2019 (23:05), the \u201clost generation\u201d (27:15), behaviour manipulation (29:30), and why tech isn\u2019t like jazz or the novel (32:45).

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