A CIA Psychologist on the Minds of World Leaders, Pt. 1 with Dr. Ursula Wilder [SpyCast]

Published: March 15, 2024, 5 a.m.

In honor of Women's History Month, please enjoy this episode of the International Spy Museum's SpyCast podcast featuring part 1 of Andrew Hammond's discussion with Dr. Ursula Wilder of the Central Intelligence Agency. \n\nSummary\nDr. Ursula Wilder (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X;\xa0LinkedIn) to discuss the intersections between psychology and intelligence. Ursula is a clinical psychologist with over two decades of experience working at the Central Intelligence Agency.\xa0\n\nWhat You\u2019ll Learn\nIntelligence\n\nHow psychology can be useful to national security\n\nHistorical examples of leadership analysis\xa0\n\nLeadership personality assessments & the Cuban Missile Crisis\n\nPsychoanalytic theory and espionage\xa0\n\nReflections\t\n\nHuman nature throughout history\n\nHistory repeating itself\xa0\n\nAnd much, much more \u2026\n\nQuotes of the Week\n\u201cTogether, these documents are quite powerful. The psych assessments are very, very carefully, tightly held and are classified at a high level. Every intelligence officer has this fantasy about seeing the file that's kept on them by the opponents.\u201d\n\nResources\xa0\nSURFACE SKIM\n*SpyCasts*\n\n\nAgent of Betrayal, FBI Spy Robert Hanssen with CBS\u2019 Major Garrett and Friends (2023)\n\n\nThe North Korean Defector with Former DPRK Agent Kim, Hyun Woo (2023)\n\n\nSPY@20 \u2013 \u201cThe Spy of the Century\u201d with Curators Alexis and Andrew on Kim Philby (2022)\n\n\n\u201cHow Spies Think\u201d \u2013 10 Lessons in Intelligence with Sir David Omand (2020)\n\n*Beginner Resources*\n\n\nWhat is Psychoanalysis? Institute of Psychoanalysis, YouTube (2011) [3 min. video]\n\n\nPsychologists in the CIA, American Psychological Association (2002) [Short article]\n\n\n7 Reasons to Study Psychology, University of Toronto (n.d.) [Short article]\n\nDEEPER DIVE\nBooks\n\n\nFreud and Beyond, S. A. Mitchell (Basic Books, 2016)\n\n\nNarcissism and Politics: Dreams of Glory, J. M. Post (Cambridge University Press, 2014)\n\n\nThe True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements, E. Hoffer (Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2010)\xa0\n\n\nTeam of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln, D. K. Goodwin (Simon & Schuster, 2004)\n\n\nLeaders, Fools, and Impostors: Essays on the Psychology of Leadership, M. F. R. Kets de Vries (iUniverse, 2003)\xa0\n\nPrimary Sources\xa0\n\n\nCharles de Gaulle to Pamela Digby Churchill (1942)\xa0\n\n\nBlood, Toil, Tears and Sweat (1940)\n\n\nMemoirs of Ulysses S. Grant (1885)\n\n\nGettysburg Address (1863)\xa0\n\n\nHouse Divided Speech (1858)\n\n\nExcerpt on Cleopatra from Plutarch's Life of Julius Caesar (ca. 2nd century AD)\n\n\nPlutarch\u2019s The Life of Alexander (ca. 2nd century AD)\xa0\n\nAppian\u2019s The Civil Wars (ca. 2nd century AD)\xa0\n\n\nVirgil\u2019s The Aeneid (19 B.C.E)\xa0\n\n*Wildcard Resource*\n\n\nOn Dreams by Sigmund Freud (1901)\n\nIn this simplified version of the father of psychoanalysis\u2019 seminal book The Interpretation of Dreams, you can get a small taste for Freudian philosophy. Freud believed that dreams were a reflection of the subconscious mind and that studying a person\u2019s dreams can elucidate their inner wants and needs. What are your dreams telling you?\xa0\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices