Chris introduces Brandon to the wonderful world of Bon App\xe9tit on YouTube. They talk about the inevitable "Now what?" moment in a senior developer's career. Are you supposed to become a manager? Product manager? What tracks are available for people who want to stay technical? Chris talks about the types of companies that are appropriate for people at differing levels of technical ambition. They return to Freeman's first law of programming: All programming is bad programming. Chris notes Brandon's progress just in the year they've been podcasting together.