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In this interview with filmmaker, Talking Weird podcast host, and flying saucer scholar Dean Bertram, we take a long overdue deep dive into the Shaver Mystery. Topics include: the foundational nature of the Palmer-Shaver relationship in the UFO mythos; Bertram\u2019s documentary short on the subject, and his forthcoming Palmer/Shaver feature The Man Who Invented Flying Saucers; Shaver\u2019s art, philosophy, and tragic later life; the thread of spiritualism and Theosophy throughout flying saucer culture; the subterranean world theme and its pre- and post-Shaver forms; the Maury Island incident; and tons more. A thoughtful and detailed conversation on one of this podcast\u2019s favorite figures.\n\nDean\u2019s Midwest Weird Fest\n\nhttps://www.midwestweirdfest.com/\n\nJoin us on patreon for exclusive episodes and much more\n\nhttps://www.patreon.com/consensusunreality\n\nIntro music by Treatment\n\nhttps://treatmentforu.bandcamp.com/album/pond-life\n\nConsensus Unreality Merch\n\nhttps://consensus-unreality.printify.me/