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We\u2019re back in the interview game! A great conversation with documentary filmmaker Brad Abrahams, known for\xa0Love and Saucers, Do You See What I See, \xa0and others, leads us down some of the many corridors of contemporary \xa0fringe culture.\xa0 We talk about his experience of working with and \xa0filming controversial personalities like artist David Dees, as well as \xa0his nuanced portrait of contactee-artist David Huggins. Other topics include the possibility of parapsychological phenomena, the new age convention circuit and its many delights, the hoaxer/grifter tradition, the age of the benevolent (?) trickster like Gray Barker vs our more dire contemporary figures, the need for a Krishnamurti biopic, and much more.\n\nPlus: tune in for a bonus Patreon follow up on a variety of things we\u2019ve both been up to: the hand as the Grail; Gray Barker doc\xa0Shades of Gray, medium-as-message speculations, and more!\n\nhttps://www.patreon.com/consensusunreality