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If you search online, you\'ll find no dearth of lists claiming to rank the top security leaders. The question is, how do these actually get created? Most of the time, these lists include CISOs from the biggest companies, or the ones with the best name recognition. But is that any kind of objective criteria? These lists generally serve the interest of boosting the credibility of the publisher, rather than being based on any kind of rigor. Is there any way to make these lists anything but fluff?

This week\\u2019s episode is hosted by me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), operating partner, YL Ventures.\\xa0Joining us is our guest, Janet Heins, CISO, iHeartMedia.

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In this episode:

• If you search online, you\'ll find no dearth of lists claiming to rank the top security leaders. The question is, how do these actually get created?
• Is there any kind of objective criteria?
• Is there any way to make these lists anything but fluff?