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Published: Jan. 2, 2022, 2:29 a.m.

Hello, and welcome to episode 135 of the Childless not by Choice Podcast. My name is Civilla Morgan. My mission is to recognize and speak to childless not by choice women and men around the world, reminding you that you can live a joyful, relevant, fulfilled, childless not by choice, life.\xa0\xa0

Whether you have children or not, thank you for tuning in!\xa0\xa0

What is today\u2019s show about?

The Empty Cradle

But before I continue, let me say thank you to...

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...my Patreon contributors:

I would like to take a moment to thank the people who make a financial contribution to the platform on a monthly basis, my Patreon Contributors.\xa0

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Your contributions help pay my podcast producer, my podcast host, Zoom, where I interview most of my guests, etc. So thank you very much!\xa0\xa0\xa0\xa0\xa0

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Questions or comments? Contact me at:

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Email: Info@civillamorgan.com

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Visit the website at www.childlessnotbychoice.net look to the left on the home screen and click on the link below the telephone to leave me an up to 90-second voicemail.

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Intro: Sarah Roberts

I\u2019ve known about our guest for quite some time. You know how you travel in the same circle as someone, but you\u2019ve never been introduced, you\u2019ve never met, but you know the person exists?\xa0

Then one day I came across her platform\u2019s intro video on YouTube, and I asked myself why I had never interviewed her. I watched her video three times before I decided to ask if she would be a guest.\xa0 There is a link to the video in the show notes. Check it out. It really captured me. And I am so happy she said yes. \xa0 \xa0

Sarah Roberts, welcome to the show!\xa0

***Acknowledgement of the traditional owners of the country.

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Questions/Conversation starters:

1. I am intrigued. Your background is in counseling, social work in child protection, youth work, drugs and alcohol, teaching, HIV/AIDS prevention, teaching, community education and community arts. How and why did you make the switch from that to speaking to grief therapy, to speaking to the involuntarily childless?

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\xa0\u2018We really need to be doing this work ourselves.\u2019 Therapy for childlessness. People need to start from a place of respect.\xa0

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\xa0Explain the \u2018social context of childlessness\u2019.\xa0\xa0

How does your faith and spirituality, your Christian perspective, come into play in our childlessness arena? How do you use it in your counseling?\xa0

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• So, diversity: why is it important to you? What does cultural appropriateness have to do with childlessness?

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• There is the ongoing counselling work I do with women towards the end of their fertility journey and coming to terms with permanent involuntary childlessness.\xa0 I also offer individual and group programs, courses and community.\xa0\xa0

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Sarah's quote:

\u2018We really need to do this work ourselves.\u2019--Sarah Roberts

'Is there something wrong with me?'--Sarah Roberts

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Links of interest:

https://www.theemptycradle.com/home.html

https://childlessnotbychoice.net/episode-126-she-i-dare-not-name-a-spinsters-meditation-on-life-my-conversation-with-author-donna-ward/

https://childlessnotbychoice.net/episode-125-are-we-being-good-ancestors/

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More information on the Australian Aboriginal Community

https://aiatsis.gov.au/

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The story of Hannah

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1samuel+1&version=NIV

Sarah\u2019s Contact information:

http://www.theemptycradle.com/

https://linktr.ee/theemptycradle

Email - support@theemptycradle.com

Facebook \u2013 https://www.facebook.com/involuntarychildlessness/

Instagram \u2013 https://www.instagram.com/theemptycradle/

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My contact information:

Website: www.childlessnotbychoice.net and www.civillamorgan.com
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