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In this episode we talk about launching Dagger with all four founders: Andrea, Eric, Sam & Solomon. \n\nWhile you may remember Sam & Solomon from episode 23, this time we assembled all four superheroes in this story and went deeper, covering nearly three years of refinements, the launch, as well as the world-class team & community that is coming together to solve the next problem of shipping software. Container images and Kubernetes are great steps in the right direction, but now it's time for the next leap into the future.\n\nYou can use Dagger to run your CI/CD pipelines locally, without needing to commit and push. You can also use Dagger as a Makefile alternative, which resonates with Gerhard, but go further and your perspective on documentation & automation may start shifting.\n\nGerhard believes that this is the Docker moment of CI/CD.