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On this week's episode, Gerhard is joined by Kathy Korevec, former Senior Director of Product at GitHub, and now Vercel's Head of Product. Docs play an essential role in GitHub Actions, and Gerhard's experience has proven that. Building, testing, and shipping code with GitHub Actions works better because of their excellent docs. However, the docs that Kathy pictures are not what you are imagining. She explains it best in her post, **Maybe it\u2019s time we re-think docs**, which is what started this whole conversation.\n\nThe bottom line is, just as you wouldn\u2019t ship untested code, shipping code without documentation is not optional. Today's conversation with Kathy explains why.