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Host Brian Wesolowski sits down with the visionary Pam Samuelson, one of the leaders behind technology law and policy clinics. These clinics are helping answer some of today\u2019s most pressing legal questions around tech and society, and Pam tells us more about how they got started and what they're tackling now.\n\nThen, Brian brings in CDT's Natasha Duarte to talk about changes the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development wants to make to its rules against housing discrimination. HUD wants to make it harder to challenge housing discrimination, especially when it\u2019s caused by algorithms. \n\nMore on CDT's HUD comments: http://bit.ly/CDTHUDalgo\n\nMore on Pam: https://twitter.com/PamelaSamuelson\nMore on Natasha: https://twitter.com/Natasha_Duarte\nMore on our host, Brian: bit.ly/cdtbrian\n\nAttribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori, BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.