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Host Brian Wesolowski chats with Deirdre Mulligan \u2013\xa0a cornerstone member of the CDT Board of Directors and our founding \u2013 and Ken Bamberger, both from the UC Berkeley Center for Law & Technology. They're coauthors of "Privacy on the Ground," and break down their research and arguments for us (can you say, stocking-stuffer?).\n\nAttribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori, BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.