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Host Brian Wesolowski first chats with Greg Nojeim on why CISA (the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act) is more surveillance than security, why all info-sharing isn't bad (put that hammer away!), how attribution makes cyber countermeasures dangerous, and more.\n\nThen Erik Stallman joins to break down for us some copyright issues \u2013 particularly, how the latest example of "white hat" security research [driverless car crash, anyone?] designed to help us better understand and secure ourselves is technically breaking the law.\n\nAttribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori,BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.