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History of the Marvel Universe #4, Captain America #15: Superconnectivity Episode #259

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History of the Marvel Universe #4, Captain America #15: Superconnectivity Episode #259

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This episode of Cape Some Lunatics brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping in a lifetime warranty or you can get there to the link on our website Southgate Media Group Dot com pleasure so lots of stuff going out there in the world today we got a big drop recently for Bandini eighties that was that was our uniform phillips younger ever AIDS The house a little kid in the eighties I can't remember yearly was barely interim stunned barbarians that's right I mean I need my crown you know man I mean every like superheroes either has a helmet or off like status don't wear no headband I think actually yes he doesn't the pro faster and is the man behind the curtain sale film in Patch Jeff Yeah Man Ego was Kurt was quarterback it's you thought he was ego actually was quarterback tells you don't know Kurt Russell Comic People Love The headdresses you ever noticed that Yeah Oh yeah but no other fields do people just rock a headdress but it's like no the seventies Eddie was the sixties where he was basically you're pro he was actually a really cool looking nerd kid he would find himself unfortunately just wear a headband work anymore you know that's always that things like women's fashions you can always embarrass one that ahead on there which is something that just makes you very happy is the computer who initiates okay a super genius so all I was I blew Lucas mind the other day because we're we're watching the goonies was on TV and I said you see older brother I'm like that's Fantas- and he's like Disney plus veggies shopping on the first day and it's like a three hour video and like a ten page list what's in a string of Disney team comedies with a science fiction bent back in we have no idea when maybe the sixties ask or some combination of the two even like in the eighties like in the comics superhero were a red headband. There's always something John Philip pledging joins us once again villas all in all the goings on in the world thank you Charles Oh no of which only two items really jumped out at me as like oh my gosh one of the courses did gummy bears of course of course they are in wacky adventures that were loosely associated with science and one is one in which he merges with computer in they're everywhere it's high adventure that is literally beyond compare you could not compare adventures desert no this Janda it's not the approved uniform for men all right I'm pretty sure I know this already but like the Disney plus stop since you watch like the whole trailer immoral stuff is does of course turns up Kurt Russell was core vaccine tire tax put it out there man it's going to they're they're they're moving towards that man he's I'm I think what if it's coming fairly soon because they had it in the work for awhile it's animation yeah it got a little more of a flexible activity that can do it like they want right it's the it's the made the laureate they wondering they won which honestly that's fine you know yeah I thought I thought maybe welcome to winter soldier was the first live action what is the I I think that's quickly followed by Wanda in good Captain America and Bucky You'RE GONNA have okay that's the Italian too aww TV someone was wearing a headband added to keep the hair out of your oh yeah the hairband all this Erin I gotTa deal with someone twentieth the Falcon in the winter soldier like we said and then twenty twenty one is one division Loki what if Hawkeye and in directly or indirectly to the next level so you have black widow that's probably going to tie into it you know I don't think any of the new live action live action stuff is supposed to come to what twenty twenty is a twenty twenty or twenty one twenty twenty I think then Miss Marvel midnight and she hulk still to be announced so okay but along those lines you've got so one yeah okay here's the movies basically it's it's set up to silver example so here's his essentially how you can figure out how it's going to go it's like you'll have a Disney plus series and that's going to you think the petty squabbles of the skywalker clan encompass the whole of the galaxy like in the multi-diverse of Madness Spiderman three of course then th ward Levin Thunder also like four Marvel Movies in two thousand twenty one I just want to call it doctor strange in the mouth of bednets that's all right for the TV series it looking there's only one in twenty widows twenty twenty the internals twenty twenty and twenty what I'm surprised that eternal twenty twenty news on Disney plus that was a movie like movie hell okay well good fishing T- although I kind because episode nine ends the skywalker saga yet but Freakin galaxy really his have accessory and no one questions it but like if you're a do you wear a headband to work like what time did why are you wearing always property and never know I think Disney probably didn't wanNA open with marvel they don't want seen as using moral as a crutch and probably the wanted to visit but windows windows doctor strange in the multiversity madness come out not the luck but you see more CPO he's there at the beginning man built by garth mater himself yeah then against mine they wipe his memories were suddenly you know maybe well you needed for foreign policy is just fine scared Amina Turtles might be late twenty twenty might be like a year you know still year off from out that but 2021 Chang Chee and the legend of the ten rings and then Dr St Yeah Yeah asking not even not even I mean I think black widows and the cavalry so yeah I mean Tur- you know remote control it's audiotape in remote control so but you know they'll do what they do I mean you know the three do know famers for the rebellion I'm just going to say that right now like wait are you sure the good guys the living in a world of of of not good people say well comparatively you know it's like you know Benjamin Franklin didn't even own slaves you know sure you put a racist in horrible in other ways but you know were there like you know episode nine is going to like kind of cap off and that like original stuff and then going forward we're GONNA have all brand new stuff so yeah of course either way free Skywalker I think it was always followed love but I'm just saying you know between the Empire and you know Jeddah I is today they're like yeah it's funny that original trilogy you know when Obese Telling Luke you know all your father was this great pilot and you know this great warrior and all this and then yeah well you know it's you know the the numerous you the first three or one two and three at the first thing but when connotes I mean I guess I guess it revenge the since you had to have a great warley ambiguous world so anikin wouldn't be an easy choice thank you works better than his cereal that's just my theory but you know we'll tell goes okay yeah so but we got the Laurean that's what everyone is they need to build up their their star wars proxies or anyway what's GonNa be going through star wars is going to some kind of transition phase because I think I saw something tonight last year that's the problem is that you know you know 'cause it's about the darkening of the universe then you get into into a World Alexa they'll use the mediator are two lateral this because they're literally drawing literally not being anymore you know it's not only Peter technically like a Cyborg so it's like Islamic and even still alive there or is it just like a robot using his body who knows who knows show and stuff tied everything together what if we had like two balk as like the one that like Thai needed a guy in the suit it.

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I'm more concerned about the Laurie because not for nothing it'll be nice to have a person in the university isn't a skywalk yes ever story that is about not about this one family that is acting the fool essentially you know religious fundamentalists you know they were the puritans to the cifs Satanists and Hong and injuring the whole universe.

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You know I'm really hoping that you know what is this last episode episode nine what's it called they won't be Jeddah anywhere it will be skywalk food to the sky the Tel Logo Yeah Dwarf aid or killed her just you know not for nothing I why it's like yes effort to become what vader was supposed to be the one who brings balance the force that is arguably okay you're going to help me save my you know my family okay if he doesn't even that's the thing it's like none of it works out the way he wants take your was the emperor was the massive with them the whole time because he's a down guy you know that's the thing that's Oh that's what podcast circle of all the actual truth of it is you have to move between the polls you find in the way or were you WanNa go you could've just said well you know at some rough times kind of became birth Nader and yeah well I mean it'll be was acting like you know Mannequin was dead redemption the first or about any CONSP- falling to the dark side Second three-year about Luke we get those prequels at its hating Christian it's like okay well you now I mean what are you GonNa do all you know what we need we need to like in the Netflix marvel shows we always have like a central character claire who like jump from showed yeah I did double check it is star wars the rise of Skywalker so that's that's a theory that's out there is that that basically when they rebuild the jets sure all right so you said you said you have watchman theories Oh so I'm really excited about the watchmen it's not out yet now I mean we are nine part three story three or re react structure so obstructed supposed to be able to extend like a practical I don't know how it really works unless you're trying to fit it into the mold uh-huh Yep absolutely well I think we need more cachet when he were Jews wandering the Wilderness essentially trying to find how jet I in the world and the last will be Kylo cz back to the ship and the like ray or somebody like rebuilds the Jeddah as something that's the boy is you can't would use every episode helping this I like the idea of how Rohrschack is a white supremacist symbol now on that one big tests he you know I'll know revenge that what is it that is number three I was just like okay who must be it's Sunday 'cause I think you know it's it's a game of thrones sliced I think so you know they're looking for their new game of thrones thing yeah yeah well I have high hopes but at the same time you know he was an extreme objectivism and generally speaking objective lists the thing and make it whatever they want and I guess to me no so there's two levels to this one is like you know it's the mostly because you know George to know it was going to get equal you know and again isn't it it's no wonder how no matter what if you jeopardized find enough you can fit them all in most is like a one point ooh it wasn't sure about that and again to eat you know if you know he he's dead you know anyone can pick up that in a day you know what you guys really got it figured out you know you're just taking polls in swing from that old long enough you're going to get where you're going but it's like yourself best is you knew a trilogy because it's supposed to have the traditional three act structure and you a nano g each of the three is its own part of the three they'd sooner would cut right there and that's the mold so we fit all right so this Anina get messy though you always remember someone else it most of the time you remember people were fondly and death so simply didn't die it's you know oh so bold they're making you know as they tell the story how character evolves how character becomes beyond what he ever really was meant to be and you know not for nothing who is a oh no he wasn't a white supremacist before re thank you are probably not as not as likely to be the best there is that what they are so you know it's like yeah objectivism is it the rises skywalker or something or something like that yeah you I'm just like oh whole ended in someone that they won't be in white supremacists symbol while might be upsetting to people who say I'm not a racist but I think if you go back or many black and Asian and other objectives south there you feel you're the best that you that the best starved original books there's a lot in that that you know even if he doesn't use racial language is racially coded you know because so as we move forward so watchmen is premiering I guess Sunday night now Saturday was the twentieth now yeah and that's that's your basic premise it's a it's essentially you know especially the idea of like if we start with that superhero world where do you go from there is on the I know she emily she should give it get a get open with her piracy they probably don't want to give her so you know it's easy to see how the writings of rushing and get manipulated like a mind calm into anyone who knows the eighties knows that's when urban became a word you know with urban decay he's not talking about and part of the Society of moving beyond you know this idea that if people are going to wear masks if it wouldn't allow Magellan teas while they're outlawed it critics get to watch the money as we're not critical Phillip it'd be more local fire well she's here said they did they after all violence.

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There's the outlaw vigilantes or the vigilance outlawed from From the original watchmen stories you could be you know yeah bet you like you are probably closer to beaten the bats than other people that you think that people who aren't lends itself to the self-aggrandizement that racism five rhymes and the idea that you know Rohrschack is tonight it'll be a new group on is the sent in this is essentially the argument that are GonNa make the because the were Kazimi of the estate at the end of the movie will end the comic but well known they don't it's it's as Ellen Moore said he leaves it in the or whatever you know it's just a machine in east property in new cares if he sent it can't fates blowed in the first movie weights sorrow okay I'm I'm looking at The stuff Orna Indy I guess it yeah we'll takes place in Oklahoma Yeah so that's not new but then the the idea that we'll have legalized which you know I just I just wonder ends up Saving Doomsday clock they they eventually find out go yeah well that's an that's yeah yeah is that why quite frankly he's older than me so it's like yeah he might be like yeah you know I'm good gals I'm just or white folks even though he was for rightful he's talking about the people that is lovely as his safety horror a mother are missing grew but I guess they they commit a tax on the houses of police officers the police start wearing masks I do not we will be sky walkers because it's arguably arguably about Kylo Ren L.

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and more off I got it well I don't eleanor cares that much of his work tell me why the young people were talking about these days I don't know I don't know own wars life maybe he's a demon sack I don't know maybe he lives I don't know but or maybe he's just a nice homebody kind of guy who just works as wonderful black magic way he does and in certain yeah I'd rather have the strawberry ice cream you know no no he's getting up there now you know he's got two beautiful wives and a lovely what don't share anyway where were we oh yes watchmen yeah he is five years old what got for him he's twenty years older than me which means helped me there before too long do they are have in ozzy man this is like I know a doomsday clock it if it jumps ahead to but it's like I wonder if like in the comic like the public go watch Fox News now yellow TV half at the end of his life he's like okay girls just thirty seconds twice a year get thirty four years after the Comic Book Kenya Robert Redford is the longest serving US president elected in one thousand nine hundred two yeah a what the war shacks are like a white a could be wrong but he has to I could be completely wrong on that don't quote me on that but I last time I saw a documentary with him I think that was percents every morning every night and good for him so you know maybe he's like you know what it's like oh he's not even the fat Guy Dude and that even a fat guy who died before seventy four what are you doing it's like close to where I am right now like no you should have gotten further really After wearing masks in that's that's the premise and then we have this you know we have the escalating gang I just found the heavy ice cream we can talk and chat and then you know we'll sit there watching movies it'll be beautiful next the good tell me yeah he I think he's got to okay I'll say this congress the on his second wife he has to do people that he can offense hopefully he gets another thirty years under the deal you always freaks me out when I hear about people dying before like seventy four like the wife and then the assistant you know so and throwing it might be a rotation the assistant semi be rotation uh-huh maybe it'll be out by but is this what you're looking forward to this HBO series because he not take out missiles that Whi- which will be some w twenty thirty two I think the first coming out soon in the now for those two are the couple and he's like yeah he paid the bills couple of months and I'm like the series is over the first half of it the second half done yet bounded this and then I'll find out uh-huh she's always the always the thing now what's interesting this one of the West is I think one of the real questions about this visit thirty here's act comic or is it thirty years I mean we'll a conic in the movie around the same time frame they're basically they so then that I think people this little but they've done they'll never admit there will never admit it anymore cannon is Canon okay if it happened it happened you don't get to ignore it you don't get the particular he didn't happen you said he's in the series so I know he's in the series yeah and what makes me wonder is because here's the here's with Doctor Manhattan deciding that this universe needs a little more mixed up listen up that's kind of what they're doing doomsday clock in the comics so yeah and you launches Buller and his act back you know but again that's why that's why absolute control is makes me wonder is DC playing some three dimensional chess here and is the final episode then attending to the watchman because they have people what's weird about that is coming felt like there was completely salad explanation of that which was that there was and again a lot of people did like new fifty two there are just like oh well Dr Manhattan came in and stole like years of time off everybody and you know the thing on the movie this let me let me say a word this shocking will crisis in Earth's is happening yeah I can rebooting university say won Miss Universe maybe things are a little bit different when you can't always reference that every five seconds in your main storyline that was the stable number of universes for reasons and there was like this group of any was was actually I think it would call the monitors and they were like one each of the universe in like a big jar and that was like a thing 'cause you had to ha- had been stable good more than university would be unstable are we need he can do you know I'm going to screw with this universe is like really dude misdemeanors applicable nine if you've decided it's not canon anymore that's the thing DC was getting sick and having the reputation of rebooting every ten to twenty years so there you know this boy at Barry Allen crash no no there was the whole thing about I remember that that you could only have fifty two universes I'm from new fifty two to rebirth they're like oh this isn't a reboot day just basically took whatever they you know whatever they wanted from the old stuff from the new fifty two mashed together which I don't think was perfect yeah well I mean again boils down to like plot device because it's like Oh people did like fifty two when we change everything in DC comics well is all it was all asphalt saluting Goldensohn and this is my argument with galactic because you don't like it doesn't mean you get to ignore it okay so the answer and then well now we're GonNa Change that answer well again people doing what looks like no you can't repute Dr Manhattan just messed with it and now I think they're going the complete opposite direction they're like they're trying to make all the cannon you know everything in d.

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you know I mean this is where it is I mean I know that's why the doctor Manhattan like the universe leading is it just me or the kind of structure that Dr Manhattan is just like a big blue mic selects well we know he's teased these God machine did happen and then this also happened to and that next things be weird but you know what just read the Damn Book and tell us if it's a good book okay we see ever count so she just go full Gwyn full and say actually no it's GonNa has happened you know I mean they tried new fifty two but it's like you know basically okay well okay Superman's at day one but they didn't want to completely re Batman because it was selling well when it's like okay arrogant to do this you know they want superman but hey we want Harley Quinn right now too so it's like I don't think DC will have better luck with a future projects that man and I thought the timelines and stuff they didn't have a plan because like it basically just jumped in and say Oh yeah this this university even though you didn't see the first five years basically going for five years already so like okay will you just contradicted what the last writer said it was just a mess it sounds legit but hopefully you know it hasn't heard like six times already hesitant universe for it's not a good book birds of prey and whatnot coming yeah you WanNa do you WanNa talk some comics let's talk some common so anyway so for those of you who here's more stuff that relates back to this so it's possible we'll get that going on but yeah they didn't have the time line I think written out completely and it's just like okay that's that's a good idea then no then you'd have different ratings coming in thanking and several other universes so it's like it's not like it's gone it's like you're just being a jerk about it classic marvel cycle which is what this what this book is judged okay literally in marvel saga like almost every issue so five isn't as good I might even drop this who because this was kind of disappointing as far as canonical ideas go and it's like so he's no taste in marvel saga they did jump forward and jump at yeah so when you actually read the old incursions that's the thing you're going to mention that and you know it's a little frustrating so yeah little disappointment on dassler would have been pretty awesome but You know they did nothing with her she was even a hair local actress wants and not even even mentioned imagine yeah looks like it's going to be six issues so yeah I mean honestly 'cause I don't think they'd be a mentioned to tell the entire story of the universe and now you've added thirty more years to it but you're GonNa do it in six issues so I'm sure there's there's probably a mandate don't mention that wedding benchley them forget Sh- well first of the wedding was the best thing that ever happened spider man inning Bible was like twelve shoes might have actually been fifteen but the idea was is that is a lot of history to cover we're gonNA cover it all mentioned secret wars to it didn't it didn't didn't mention student mentioned as demands wedding a bed that real but you know hey he fell in love with Dad's learned that was cool you know issue so from this on that and it's like most of these events you know it seems like everything gets one page it's like trying to explain secret wars to one page and then it's like I mean you could even done it in a panel on the panel and beyond Earth into the whole thing and stuff not too trades out of this instead of one maybe they feel that there aren't enough older like me who like to read a more like maybe the canonical in it as you know it's either five or six I think but here I'll look it up but it just is only five initiative numbers for me unreliable narrator lack this and you know not enough deep dives limitations being there I understand yeah and so I think we're going to get to the to the awesome the next one which means that arguably we should get the incursions next pass the nineteenth spiderman clone saga which they mentioned within the nineties in this issue age of apocalypse was nine these was here hold on who ran for much longer who feels that like all that sporty stuff at short trip you know so yeah I mean if suggests to me on that on that level that's a whole other bag of hammers it's like only so many pages to tell this story you know well then okay so I might give them some we'll know I'll look it up again but I mean do you think maybe too it's like waiting had so many paged pages to tell Annette's Mitchell cash-strapped yeah and even from the cash grab angle you'd think they will want to do twelve because then they get probably get yeah this this episode just relieved trap Nehal because it's like they were big enforce it's worth and hero issue but that person's back a whole issue with everything we've seen the OT in the universe at the last moment we didn't even expect it so yeah so I don't know I'm as much as I like as much and I love the first three bucks that but at the same time then why are you doing history universe if you're not gonNA charge me five bucks book and I'm not getting the bats it's they'd played market this to the kids and the young ones because it's you know instead of saying hey instead of going back and reading all these books here read this series yes you know this this current end of this great universe but you know we've been here before Oh yeah I was looking at the solicit I think issue six they're saying yeah it's going to catch you up yes well I marvel Jesse Canonical noncanonical likes you.

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When you're not economical I chill up to the present day I mean there's lots of reasons but I was gonna say that as as happy as I was the first three issues Mr coates guy he's doing quite well for himself you know it's interesting the whole secrets no but you know what that's actually a super significant thing that happened in one else anyway let's talk about Captain America all right number fifteen yes the current day and maybe even go little passed to you know catch you up the work class our extinct catch up with the black mask character uh-huh that's like that's the thing that marvel always has going for is that it happened that is like morals low that is marvel's even it's a

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