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Doctor Doom #1, Loki #4: Superconnectivity Episode #258

Charlie and Phil discuss various topics including:

The Joker movie theories

The Aquabats return with new music

New comics including Doctor Doom #1, Gwenpool Strikes Back #3, Loki #4, Magnificent Ms. Marvel #8

Show notes: Doctor Doom #1, Loki #4: Superconnectivity Episode #258

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Doctor Doom #1, Loki #4: Superconnectivity Episode #258

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this episode of game semantics brought to you by tweaked audience awesome headphones tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty or you can get there the link on our website southgate media group dot com this is a story told completely in flashback by a person who is unreliable narrator now this isn't the joker none of this happened this is one man's delusion of if he were joker yeah i mean i heard that stories on joker and there are a lot of that and i kind of came into what i think might be the most interesting joker theory of all and the one joker theory that might just make everyone happy already felt yeah go ahead now it is a story told early which it's not and we can very easily imagine superconductivity show we try to connect things superbly okay what's on the agenda tonight this theory but i don't think he goes all the way there he's still suffering this stuff happens and here's arthur flex interpretation host pro sir esser with me always is the man the legend is blaming his past and future selves and this this was a point that was made by eamon review will he runs up to the edge of week muko i mean i mean i mean that would be interesting if they did like a sit lift todd phillips did like a series of these movies it's telling the story about how he arthur flecked a man who is not the joker imagine therion it's like yeah maybe you know i mean spoilers at the end that big riot it's like you know he inspires the real joker whatever well no not even know the the riot to the asylum there's no way for him to understand that that he knows that suggests she has knowledge outside every time it's not the joker but it's somebody else picks up the mantle well i mean again assuming it's a mantle said my actual idea is that there is mike theory is is that nothing happens or that everything happens and here's arthur flexing transportation any mixes put the clock on the wall wouldn't mind talking a little bit of joker 'cause we're in we're in the theory phases joker which means that a lot of the great each pers- out there are out there pushing the well i know we already hit the martin scorsese on capes lunatics when when they go away collusion's you know just napoleonic he has decided he's going to tell the people in artem that he is joker of the time shame he's existing which suggests that everything may well be in his own time sense that he's in this time set when he's at the social worker at the beginning and the psychiatrists at the end it's the exact same crime suggesting perhaps that everything that we've just seen oh that parents got killed and not for nothing there's no way for him to know that thomas and martha wayne were killed if he went from inspires that the real jokers have thanked that there is a joker and this is a guy who is lost in time lost in space and in meaning and the sale silman pertts that sam hey philip back to the show welcome back all you listeners to the show took place in no time at all that it was all out of time and there i think there's an important point in this which is that this person committing upset explains certainly why psychiatrist or the social her looking in with that i'd look like third one it would be if he could what if he were the joker what if he was the killer what if he could be the joker and how could the jokers like me in could have had his succession on thomas wayne is a public figure he's well known etc he may know about bruce bruce wayne he made no aw that gordon has had a lot of good days part of that oh yeah yeah yeah of course and that's the point is that he doesn't cause gordon snap because not for nothing this choices because gordon snap are really weak and pedestrian oh yeah even after batman rescues them i mean yeah it's not burger but i wouldn't call it restraint either oh it's a lot of restraint philip well there's a lot of things he could have done and he inspires the movement but in the end maybe none of that happened well unless they go like the alan moore killing joke thing where it's like in a flashback he's like i'm a loser you know to yeah but he's never happy he's never content with his lot you know it was interesting interesting we're talking about the one bad dake and even moore's idea of the one bad day and the way crippled we crippled her strips her naked takes pictures and then chose gordon the pictures of his naked bleeding daughter yeah and so when things go from bad to worse that causes them to snap arguably oh yeah and i think even after he snaps he wants to prove that you know i know killing her crippling her taking pictures of naked you know at the end of the day all things you're doing and the lasting effects of them while in the joker remembers it they give you different origin basically every time and it's like okay one of these is true but we're not going to tell you which one is true why it wasn't just him he you know he wasn't the loser who could you know i was the week one ego enough pressure everyone will snap that's why he liked tortures gordon that's why he crippled there's maybe even within that the concept that you know it's not that it's one bad day it said it's no good days but if chartered you know the because he is always this person who has been beaten down who has severe neurological damage for which medication now what would it be more specific he wants to do other things to he once care for his mother provide for what he needs and also pursue barbara gordon and then again this is of course assuming that he doesn't know that she's actually back earl because obviously if he'd known she was back girl could be done and you know once a week cop therapy is not helping in now i mean that's the thing now for what it's worth he really basically joked that the joker in that story in the original alamar never has a good day here's one really bad no good awful day oh yeah even oh great are not going to be particularly weighing on james gordon in that moment essentially he's trying to say it happens in an instant and it doesn't surprised she opened the door he might boom but i but i mean i think the the thing with joker more than anything else he doesn't eat predictable so if he would have killed her own words is not good at his job he wants something that really arguably he doesn't wanna put it in the workforce l.

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yada yada yada you know so where he doesn't even really have the option to make the right it's actually he doesn't mean you have the choice to have a good day new content and not quite as crazy i mean yeah he's crazy but yeah he always says he's happy the way he is and even like he loves his brother the real truth of joker is that he's a guy who didn't he did not want to get better that he preferred crazy in measurable too utah gordon tells batman he's like bringing them in by the book you know let's show him yeah no this is it this isn't true her emmy and not for do a career in the arts and none of these things always work out very well you know you have to be very lucky to make all those things work at the same time nations ship quote unquote with batman because even like he's like i don't wanna know who you are under the mask he's like that's nothing he's like your batman he's like in you know we're locked in this thing the greatest villain you're not you know honestly i really simply i have to deal with you because you are a villain goth what do you do you think is arthur never has a good day and he see for the worried that arthur flex is unliked among his peers he it's sort of like this thing where he tells himself if i see this no i'm not dreaming and yet he's still dreaming so when he has some deep recesses of his brain the jokers like okay batmans my check you now in case i go too far no because he was easy and base who was looking for self-aggrandizement he wants to be seen you know he wants to be he doesn't care how he's seen he just wants people to know much more often you've got to make a hard choice to say you know what i'm just gonna go about my business and do my thing and then of course you have that mentally ill beaten as a child his delusion that he can eliminate which is zazi beach you know so he realizes oh that was the hallucination but everything nothing that let's be to he didn't even kill his daughter well you know willing should he be restrained as his life and he you know he concocts this elaborate story about how he was the one who killed the guys in the subway and he is the killer clouds in fact the joker arthur flick is in fact just some other random arkham asylum didn't kill anybody they're not well you know well when he took us it's that you know do it would you rather that would you rather that he wasn't the joker or would you rather that he was full blown joker maybe we could see him later on somewhere else there's entirely possibility that you can take away from this whatever you want and the authorities intent is irrelevant but actually think that in this case i would like to know that thank you know what i'm not gonna argue the death of the arts author on this thank you lucy i let's say that dan so check inmate you know if you were healthy yeah is this would be a very bad story but he's not healthy so it's pretty much what she did seen that coming yeah well that's true he up it's not the killing that that is the is the as i said so far all the time you know that's that's the thing about who the joker is he is you know he is the gesture further yeah we'll see if he actually hit tried to do too much she might have gotten the upper echelon because she's rickenbacker sleek modern didn't cause any problems simply was crazy why probably killed somebody at some point those you know you don't get that you don't get that commitment to in that in that in two wars credit he says yeah it doesn't evidence it's a lifetime of being beaten down much like arthur flack that is the jester yes he is more than happy to make evil aggrandize in that's the thing about it easier guys ariza joker out there you know i guess that's a that's a point you know that's a perspective it's not a healthy perspective but we're not talking about the healthy those fantasy and the idea that it's all just arthur flex fantasy that he is a man who is insane else israel it's just it's just a way of staying deeper in the fantasy now what i think people reflect is not around so you know figuratively and literally he is not a person you know if there's a scene that'll give you that understand no no 'cause so for example it's entirely possible that didn't know or doesn't want to know yeah isn't really thinking about it it's like no escalate the aggression you try to turtle and you hope that you can survive it that's the goal you know talking about it in the it's when the teenagers bully him you know he's no position to fight back is in no position to you were on this is how he would have been joker the joker and this is what is fantasy world would have been even to the point of him understanding that oh there are actually two scenes to scenes they think make the point that none of this ever happened so just after he gets punched by bruce wayne or not i'd like to know was going for here and part of me thinks wouldn't it be cool if he was saying no he's not a joke or or maybe he is they'll leave it open to interpretation or do you think that he was like no no no this is the joker well you know that's an entirely other concept here i think there's a very strong by at amazon yes you know you see him in the stands in he leans against the counter type in the bathroom and then this immediate cut to you most iconic comic book as allergy fringing something any literally fridges himself and then you should you know the world a better social safety net he might have gotten more talk therapy but that assumes he would have gone you know and that that i think is yeah but my for my money my money is on other fleck isn't the joker are other flex just telling the story of how he wishes the thing that is the most comic book and the most ad fought in this entire series in this term movies had even happened because maybe not happen and then you have where i think is the most fascinating thing that no-one has mentioned remade that yeah it's meant to be open for interpretation it's meant to be something that you will never know because if you title st deteriorated more and more see my point would be is that he actually he actually did he was already gone by the beginning and love phil medic studies that is based on the idea that taxi driver nothing in taxi driver happens all just travis to situation unless you are a danger to yourself others you can be danger to others without accents knowing someone so getting hit by the sign i i kind of took that to is like in the beginning you know he wasn't completely gone but as the movie progress is made fridge refrigerator who likely suffocate because it's not locked can open the door time and it's taking in air from the outside let's it's actually the air while while the phrase doesn't come from getting killed by referred dino the comic bookstore yeah no one is mentioning and that is when arthur decides to fridge him so oh yeah known as we stand up and be the joker now he cowers because i wouldn't cower when you're being beaten by six outs you know that's actually the smart don't try to one it's cycling air into the refrigerator because it has to take a hot air out so it's actually going to be actually the end of the day incapable of the violence you wish you see what's he wants to be violent but at the same time even though he's in the macy aided even if you like passed out you would fall forward and that would likely knock the door open that's not really sealed but even more to the point if the refrigerator is on art theory the i'd like to know what this is name philip something or something phillips todd phillips there actor served legend actually happened to a lot of died horribly but did they call they call that frigging before that though no that was just dying refrigerator i wrote a script i'm thinking making a movie and because that's the it's like you think about there's an entire school sometimes crazy people will say they do great things that they never did because they just want to feel important for and in the way the joker in this is some other aspect story do you think about what is what is it isn't clear the house gonna do you think if did he do it the way he did did you say he must have killed those people he said he did is sort of missing the point that the point is that all he wants is to be seen we assume many of them are that way to be we'd be like hey what might be true none of them might be true all culture when it cuts away 'cause not even that happened just in the you actually couldn't kill yourself in that method that he does cause i know i know there's in return which is yes killing someone and putting them in the fridge calloway became green later billed as here's working so he's not gonna suffocating there which explains why he doesn't die in that same spot yeah but there are a lot of moments like that where you have once again gentlemen to vote a one scene end and the next thing beginning a much more arthur flicking away essentially there's the arthur flicky in universe where he is in command of his life and the real arthur flicking a universe where he's not and i think if there's any kind of real sword you taken this it's that yes she killer body in the refrigerator yes i am aware of that but then there's also the urban legend about getting locked in a refrigerant yeah actually exact same does the exact same stance is in his kitchen from exact same moment and there was this thing i saw just as it happens like oh wait winding locked in the fridge could make you suffocate is because the fridge is turned off and you're going to be on the air wells it is near sale well the frigid hidden or frigerator and didn't realize that old refrigerators used to lock modern iraqis block which is why you could never actually even if you hit in the bed the flow of air so you actually wouldn't suffocate mad at you know night made the point that when he opens refrigerator you see the light on that says the refrigerator joker out there well we'll know joe followed as far like screen time is a commodity in this you have to see people but at the end of the day are reflected that a person that you know maybe the world wants to see or maybe that arthur the only way he can be seen as by catholic disa- murders apopka now and in that even fits into the thing that other flex his trying to tell which is like must to his book thank you web shatter aqua bats are a sky band that created superhero personas because they just wanted to have fun sounds like it's not gonna work black hole in the moon or something that's not help black holes work that's any delights and tristan really got excited about them when he realized that there on youtube bow and they have new episodes shopping every week and that is good look them up there on youtube now you can watch all the old episodes in new episode every bats okay it will tell you there is no better book to talk about after talking about joker than dr do yes is if joker were real down as it goes through the distortionary it's going to be converted to antimatter yeah and the nontoxic once it gets there so really delightful and they do some great songs in the created this term so surround their characters and the way you do if you are having fun unapologetic and so did you quick sense someone is created this system with what a free created something like the phantom what exactly it's like it's a place that they're going to stick things and to be fair to be fair it's just a teleport week it's just a teleportation ring but thome it's a black hole jr coal probably durkin oh dum wasn't invited to play he's action about this his reading stark where like the two leads on this people were really we're really seeing you want you've got so much that he wants to be seen he wants to be seen in the way he wants and that's a whole other begging him but surgery technology has been around for a while clone technology which as far as we know he has no problem using as been around for a while and and benthic wait the alphabets are back yes both my kids are into the acrobat so i'm very happy so i better back steve he's gotten he's kidnapped st who just hold him in fill sure you know why i kind of skimmed that dr do number one real quick while we were talking joker so okay got messed up again one scr i'm sure i know one scratch china listen they totally deadpool's his face but why i mean he was he was literally the knight in shining armor charging around when reed was missing now reed richards is back nunes return his calls gonna tell you again his face he had the one scratch beforehand from the living tribunal but he's gonna tell you i soon the flag himself that's what it is look at my face watt support himself but he doesn't that's the problem with the base thing in other news who bats are back yes i saw iconic i saw the article but i really didn't get that yeah oh yeah but no i just wonder what the whole gang thing where they tried to float the possibilities like is it a dream or is he imagining this or is he sing like an alternate kids or something that's that's the good dream than the bad is he's like he's like putting apparently has to put my medication scars every night not no matter how you want to slice it it's still bologna slicer reed richards might be pretty much you know where like look so as an example let's say they're dropping in the negative zone and read richardson said well you know we would put the toxic waste through the negatives do you wanna if you don't like you might be this which of course why that you know out of like TB and even actually mentioned the band today that you know that just a another new episode gotten endured singing the songs around the house or whatnot they're putting his kinda hanging flag on that stuff and you know it's a very interesting taken story wrong or is he oh yeah yeah because of the moon thing ed it's very and terrorist but he didn't send any terrorists in the superior super villain 'cause when someone actually calls him out on this stuff is like well yeah i guess i see you know is grand hall suspended upside down TB gio us the biggest phallic object that is available this worse it good accent where i get the bill that said tell them it's a black hole learn moon fine the idea that none of this is actually happening or that it is happening just in other timelines and universes emperor will do because but then again it was very flag it's not like it would be hard for anyone to make variant flat yep now what you might think but this is what you should think it's like upshur there's certain governments in the world who love the take doom down you know already unhinged from on right now 'cause we see situations in which you know the the be he's unscarred ending a wife interacts it's like fixing his face it is not that's not what's holding them back with holding back is this complete petty nest al and kuhn's don't have scars and to and and also one knows magic to he knows how to transfer his consciousness into other body as of his interactions with king is now more and he's between these other unit or is the terrorist thing actually happening in this time line is someone trying to his there's yeah yeah so he can be totally like like a jump ed completely nonsense clown transfers notches doom it's like oh there's the flag is that it is to get oh yeah it's like when the do you won't let anyone call out on it he wants to be a little bit opinions little dictator as the name implies we also see uh flashback our actions with deadpool are fun because they're both actively just totally shattering it's like look at me i'm a hideous break well you know there and we'll get veteran it of course no one of the new thinkers talks back and in walls and building flow charts and it is just yet we can do this we both can that's great which also i love with windfall it's like when a guy someone colombo and they try to make it loving us see here's the way it happened now what you think but what it yeah yeah what'd you chevron in the negatives but we use the phrase blackhawk is that's what that's what people wanna say what say what if it's an empty dimension in good then yet so she has to be evil to to win so she essentially gets a budget superhero goes together hints shorts n.

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bikinis to brawl and that possibly because someone just stuck on the moon king the cappers having trouble finding his way around apparently he's keeps he's been convicted they're trying to be like oh no no no no l.

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you know we didn't he says he i think he can well okay so you know i had to forfeit because you're doing because you know she says if i don't people read my books i won't survive and yeah yeah okay anyway moving along with strikes back you know scoreboard basically makes it look if you fight me you know out win because i'm unbeatable and clinton was like dang you're right i get through mata the way because i mean countries are coming to rest do is is there tretorn his missed two are trying to get rid of maybe i mean it's entirely possible that's the way it's so obvious yeah that looks a little too out we're working in high tech armor though to g mortal hall but the hulk going after some private island for some reason yeah yeah yeah yes they were talking about the fans okay okay so so she takes her and all the younger heroes up to the devastation debt that she is doing all this for the very important reason of god's getting a very cool cover we saw here because which one is more earns at three that is three yeah this is pretty cool you know she's using her so unfortunately than because of the rules of her game she got scared to fight the hall as she was in the battlezone now she has the paper oh key yeah fun book i love him being a trickster god the union jack in the other bomb the country as now he's gonna be all not petty for five seconds in visiting do when it's pulled the doom and then we see the dune is likewise a little bit name on the cover you know kind of act somewhat noble not really though it's although again that's the this doom and moored from times this no-one have high tech armor in the marvel universe well i mean again i mean it's gonna take the the world much through i go and then she brings up the incredible hulk two while she brings up bruce banner who she seats in the head show she's not kidding although she makes time-line where everything went right you know where i'll tell you what because there's two time yeah right in this one where everything goes living in the one though everything went i love that basically he is totally owning nightmare the entire time he basically basically road runner era roadrunner and coyote here become mortals yes which of course you know i mean obviously it doesn't make it right but it's like well why do you think you know i know it sucks you know it was really good it was really brilliant i'm not quite sure where to take the story we're getting in the second half of this because allen he is now back to her house nic lintel selfish but she is dealing with is the trauma that people prefer her being evil to be tastic four thing when they said that might have been a two or maybe it's both who knows what it is now but that was oh i can't fix that you know you know you can't unspent spells e.

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bewitched but yeah it was it was really good seems kinda like separate from other things you've seen up into this point where loki is the god of thunder in this the unin father is the evil or your guest one of the best things in this issue has hurt when she does your big building reveal explained everyone what's going on and then squirrel pops up and says well okay in storyline okay last book i got this week was ms marvel magnificent his marvel and i remember last episode matic answer he gives to the woman who's being tortured by nightmare there by having her never met her spouses like a meter hurt so we'll see what happens next issue but i really enjoyed that book fill up hey did you read loki yes i did read low key uh-huh nasty shoot you now but yeah and i just yeah i love the punishment for nightmares we're in shining armor anymore either it's still it's like oh well guess reads back i guess i guess i gotta be the joker in this story won't his face for him so he controls their minds so they're very attentive workers and he tries to take over on the way to the fantastic four or on the way back advisable oh paul hits push around a lot but the whole point is sits on like a future like a flash forward or something yeah what the what well it should be cool 'cause that's next issue we're going to the old west broadly similar stories so apparently a company called rubicon another big river doomed possibly more from even what he isn't sat right in wonder too if they're like set you know if who wrote this i forget but owner if the what is the is the weakest of excuses and they got it yeah you know and these writers right away i shooting at this point in hoc storyline if you shoot him in the head it's not that big of a deal and not nothing didn't they make a mention in the last what sells the book philip the cover for details tells here to give her a d.

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cup she does defeat him as happens but during the process she realizes her brand new super suit is done russian yourself that's right that's right okay anything else you want to talk about this no i think we're good he did here was i mean i love when tony anthony's show up and he's like look at us three of the original avengers and they're like nice try that's quite but i love some of the dialogue in this like when he tells the woman yeah you know go go meet your wife she's like walking happy did i just do a heroism male six one four three eight two two seven three seven that's six one four thirty eight capes and find all of our links are social media are t public it totally manage on the avengers tony keep saying you're never gonna pick up that hammer scroll down or scroll up or the last learnt was talking something about amazon and whatnot taking over stuff that the talk that way charlie charlie answers laying down i think it's time to go i'm relaxing and i don't care though long since league that good place maybe when i do so or another show that's coming soon at charlie esser that c.

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r. hi and has its own opinions in how you deal with people who are fighting like crushing them to that which is not come on his way so who'll boy that's that's the story for next issue and that is my comic books alright alright has yet it yet carolinian view are black suits demand story line here and yeah isn't once finally benham stories where a sumio ejido award talk maybe we can always right the me i think wing PDP at chiodo com on twitter i am at night wing PDP on you can call our voice for that eric tra or i don't know i'm up i gotta look it up because we may be a propping up a dictatorship here the you'll never touch it except with your face once you for those who remember doing the whole inversion wants to be seen in because if arthur were truly seen people would be looking at him and these not much to look at me knows it would really bother me fleas with us again tonight i will have you know important point gets taken over by some guy with powers to who basically re whites everyone pointed this oh yeah all that stuff bend state it's not all gone and there's still some of that in him somewhere cantwell is can't well is enough prop up any dictatorship except for that of rob southgate illegally is the his master doom after bastard that's right that's right now we may do all the hartford eli e. s. s. e. r. look for the to ease in the middle the quality that's our friend does store link at everything at i'll linked tree l. i. n. k. t. r. dot ee slash capes in lunatics i do wonder whether that he said i went and now with your cre- minolta suit she the suit like no you said you wanted to do this i defeating to kill rice the week may want to look into that okay in the meantime if you'd like a right to me in an old fashioned email way where mazda paswan stood back in the eighties this job for you okay in the meantime we would like to call you wanna telephone eighteen hundreds all right to you or any in right here okay what is that that's that's more of a bugsy nabbed honors pronoun trouble do so at superconductivity bugged dot com that's super connectivity blood all one word dot com as allowed hello ladies and gentlemen that has been other episode obstacle for connecting with us ed brand new soul note never sinned today where do you do and low the kind of practice ms marvel because if he takes responsible but he gains her powers are the not dissimilar from that storyline contain but just keeps letters will be invaded yes yeah well guess who has hey i now have the phone i don't have to sit and one positional

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