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The \u201cDecade of Building State Capability\u201d podcast series features interviews with practitioners who reflect on their experience using the PDIA approach and their engagement with Building State Capability over the past 10 years.\n\nOn today's episode, BSC Director Salimah Samji interviews Joana Bento and Danielle Serebro. \n\nJoana is a Programme Manager at CABRI leading their capacity building programmes in support of institutional capabilities across Africa. After a short time working for the European Union Delegation to South Africa, she joined CABRI in 2014, working across various subject areas. In 2018, she was leading CABRI\u2019s work on value-for-money in public spending, supporting African countries in developing and implementing financing policies in the WASH and agriculture sectors. She also worked in CABRI\u2019s transparency and accountability programme. She holds an MSc in Economics from Nova School of Business and Economics, Lisbon and an MSc in International Management from Keio University in Tokyo.\n\nDanielle is a development economist who has worked with many African governments to improve the management of their public debt, build public financial management capabilities and improve linkages between public finance and service delivery. She holds an undergraduate degree in Politics, Philosophy and Economics from the University of Cape Town. Her postgraduate qualifications include Honours and Master\u2019s degrees in Economic Development from the University of the Witwatersrand, and a Postgraduate Diploma in Health Economics from the University of Cape Town\u2019s School of Public Health.