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After the first conversation with Caleb, he and I spent a long time talking about stuff and wanted to keep that conversation going, since we didn't get it on record. We discuss stuff like the collective vs. the individual, ideal societies, technology, and economics. While it may seem that we get a bit against each other, rest assured that we're totally civil and have absolutely no hard feelings. Such is the nature of ideological conflict. Caleb is a great friend and I look forward to having him on the podcast with other people, too.\n\n--- \n\nSupport this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/santiagoramones/support