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b'(repeat)\\xa0 Long before cyber criminals were stealing ATM passwords, phone phreaks were tapping into the telephone system. Their motivation was not monetary, but the thrill of defeating a complex, invisible network. Today \\u201chacking\\u201d can apply to cyberwarfare, biological tinkering, or even geoengineering.\\xa0Often it has negative connotations, but the original definition of \\u201chacking\\u201d was something else.\\nIn this first of two episodes on hacking, we look at the original practitioners \\u2013 the teenagers and mavericks who hacked Ma Bell for thrills - and the difference between hacking for fun and for profit.\\xa0\\nGuests:\\n\\nPhil Lapsley-\\xa0Author of \\u201cExploding the Phone: The Untold Story of the Teenagers and Outlaws Who Hacked Ma Bell\\u201d\\xa0\\n\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices'