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In this week's podcast, Public Lands Council President and fourth-generation Utah rancher Dave Eliason and third-generation Montana rancher John Helle discuss their testimony before the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on Interior, Energy, and the Environment. At a hearing about grazing on public lands, Eliason and Helle testified about their experiences with how radical political groups have "weaponized" many environmental laws.\n\n(Music credit: "Turbo Tornado" by Admiral Bob, used via a Creative Commons license.)