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About the Episode: Studies show that Americans feel less connected and more divided than ever before. Celeste Headlee, an award winning journalist, joins us to explore how we can navigate the many hard conversations that are happening these days.\xa0\nAbout our Guest: In her 20-year career in public radio,\xa0Celeste appeared on NPR, PRI, CNN, and the BBC.\xa0She has been the Executive Producer of On Second Thought\xa0for Georgia Public Broadcasting, and anchored shows including\xa0Tell Me More,\xa0Talk of the Nation,\xa0All Things Considered,\xa0and\xa0Weekend Edition at NPR.\xa0\nCeleste is also the author of two wonderful books: We Need To Talk: How To Have Conversations That Matter and\xa0Do Nothing: How to Break Away from Overworking, Overdoing, and Underliving.\xa0\nHere's a summary of George Lakoff's framing theory that was mentioned during our conversation.\nSupport the Podcast: We're on Patreon! If you'd like to support the podcast, follow this link.\nKey Topics:\n1:30: \u201cPandemic okay.\u201d\n4:45: Being a good talker vs. being a good conversationalist.\xa0\n7:15: Why intelligent people can struggle to be good conversationalists.\xa0\n11:30: Working with the inevitable presence of bias.\xa0\n14:15: Facts, feelings, and frame theory.\n18:00: Metacognition and confirmation bias.\xa0\n22:45: Do facts change people\u2019s opinions?\n24:45: Making it easy for people to change their mind.\xa0\n31:00: Maintaining our mental health inside hard conversations.\xa0\n35:45: \u201cBothsides-ism\u201d\n40:00: How to engage when someone\u2019s argument isn\u2019t based on facts you agree with.\n45:00: Doing less to do more.\n50:00: The power of weak ties, and the negative impact of too much tech.\n53:00: A message to your younger self.\xa0\nOvercome Anxiety: \xa0Let go of anxiety and grow a greater sense of calm strength with Rick's Dealing with Anxiety program, which offers 5 powerful practices for managing stress and worries. Save 10% with coupon code BEINGWELL.\nFrom Dr. Hanson: The Foundations of Well-Being brings together the lessons of a lifetime of practice into one year-long online program. Podcast listeners can use the code\xa0BEINGWELL25 at checkout for an additional 25% off! Please don't hesitate to apply for a scholarship if you're in need.\xa0\nSponsors:\n\xa0\nExplore your creativity at\xa0Skillshare.com/BEINGWELL and get a free trial of their Premium Membership.\nWant to sleep better? Try the legendary Calm app! Visit calm.com/beingwell for 40% off a premium subscription.\nJoin\xa0over a million people using BetterHelp, the world\u2019s largest online counseling platform. Visit betterhelp.com/beingwell for 10% off your first month!\xa0\nConnect with the show:\n\nFollow us on Instagram\n\nFollow Rick on Facebook\n\nFollow Forrest on Facebook\n\nSubscribe on iTunes