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Since Audience is between seasons, we\u2019re offering up a great episode from our 3 Clips archives. Today\u2019s episode features an episode originally published in 2021 and highlights the first podcast about design. Ever. In this interview, host Jay Acunzo and Debbie discuss how she got started as a host, what\u2019s kept her going, and why her research documents for each and every guest can be as long as 70 pages.\nDebbie Millman started her interview show about design as a radio program to fulfill her need to explore her own creativity. That was 16 years ago, and Design Matters has been in production every since: it\u2019s the world\u2019s first podcast about design. Debbie has welcomed over 500 guests to her now wildly popular podcast to explore creative culture and how some of the most influential thinkers, artists, musicians, writers, and designers create their work, career, and life.\nLEARN MORE ABOUT CASTOS:\n3 Clips is a Castos Original Series. Castos provides tools for public and private podcasts and believes podcasters should own their turf to provide the best possible audience experience. Visit http://castos.com.\xa0\xa0\nIf you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to Castos.com/podcast. And as always, if you\u2019re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at castos.com/subscribe.\nResources/Links:\nDebbie Millman and Design Matters can be found here\nFollow Debbie Millman on Twitter @debbiemillman\nFollow 3 Clips host Jay Acunzo on Twitter @jayacunzo\nFrom Play It Forward: This week\u2019s recommended podcast is The Lisa Congdon Sessions\nThis episode was produced by Cherie Turner: learn more here\nTheme music provided by Cardboard Rocketship\nCastos Academy: https://academy.castos.com/\xa0\nCastos, private podcast: https://academy.castos.com/privatepodcast/\xa0\nCastos, website: https://castos.com/