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In this episode, we have a conversation with Rev. Matt McClure and Rev. Peter Cammarano around defining discipleship. Both of their churches have done a really good job of this, though the journey there was different for each of them.

A lot of times, churches say it can be frustrating trying to work on discipleship, and we can understand that. When a church doesn't have a clear sense of what we are talking about -- are we all talking about the same thing?