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Last Spring, Martin Fowler gave a talk at Agile Australia called "The State of Agile Software in 2018." (A transcript of Fowler\u2019s talk can be found using the link provided below.) During the talk, he mentions \u201cpost-agile.\u201d It is a phrase I had previously heard mention of here and there by folks who tend to be pretty deep with agile and who are frustrated for one reason or another by how it is being (mis)used by others. \n\nI spent time time researching what \u201cpost-agile\u201d actually means. What I found was a wide range of explanations, but no clear, definitive answer. The more I dug into it, the more I found myself gravitating towards my own inner explanation. Since I didn\u2019t really want to end up mansplaining the term to myself, I thought it might be a good idea to seek some professional help.\n\nIn this podcast you\u2019ll hear a conversation between Dhaval Panchal, Michael Tardiff, and myself where we explore the topic of \u201cpost-agile\u201d\u2014what it actually means and whether or not it is something you need to worry about. Dhaval and Michael are deeply seasoned agile coaches who are also really fun to interview. Talking with them always provides me with a new perspective and deeper clarity on things. That was definitely the case with this discussion. Hopefully it will be valuable to you as well. \n\nThis podcast is our conversation exploring the topic of what \u201cpost-agile\u201d actually means and whether or not you need to worry about it.\n\nHere are some of the links referred to in the podcast:\n\nMartin Fowler\u2019s transcript of the State of Agile Software in 2018 https://bit.ly/2NDfHLk\nMy interview with Mike Cottmeyer on Fowler\u2019s talk https://bit.ly/2Rpqx8Y\n\nDebt: The First 5,000 Years by David Graeber https://amzn.to/1ttQuId\nBullshit Jobs: A Theory https://amzn.to/2RthMLk\n\nIf you\u2019d like to contact Dhaval:\nWeb: https://evolveagility.com\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/evolveagility\nEmail: dhaval.panchal@evolveagility.com\n\n\nIf you\u2019d like to contact Michael:\nWeb: https://feelingagile.wordpress.com\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/mjt\nEmail: michael@taoproductions.com