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Darren Petersen is a Senior Technical Project Manager at Lullabot. He\u2019s also incredibly knowledgeable about Agile. In this interview Darren and I discuss how Agile has been implemented at Lullabot. We dig into what works, what doesn\u2019t, why he moved away from Story Points and all, and how Lullabot has been able to get dedicated teams in place.\n\nNote: During the interview Darren and I have a brief conversation about why it makes no sense to force yourself into the \n\nAs a (some user)\nI want to (some action)\nso I can (some benefit) \n\nformat just for the sake of using it. I promised to get him an official answer. You can find that here: \n\n\nSHOW NOTES\n00:08 Interview Begins\n00:47 Background on Lullabot\n01:33 Managing 50 distributed team members\n03:04 Using social media tools to stay connected with remote staff\n05:57 Using Agile at Lullabot for client work\n12:02 Making the case for some upfront planning, before using Agile during Development\n12:50 Taking on the cost of teaching Agile to the client (who doesn\u2019t care about Agile)\n14:22 The way Lullabot sets up Teams to use Agile for client work\n15:22 How can a digital agency maintain the business with dedicated teams\n20:35 How dedicated teams impact the staff members morale and performance at Lullabot\n23:27 Teaching customers to write decent User Stories\n28:07 Should you force yourself into a User Story format when it doesn\u2019t make sense? *\n29:32 Why Darren doesn\u2019t like using Story Points\n33:00 How did Darren get so deep with Agile and what drives him to keep learning about it\n36:19 Getting in touch with Darren\n37:01 Interview Ends\n\nCONTACTING DARREN\nTwitter https://twitter.com/dsayswhat\nEmail: darren.petersen@lullalbot.com\nAbout: https://www.lullabot.com/about/darren-petersen\nLullabot https://www.lullabot.com\n\nLINKS MENTIONED IN THIS PODCAST\nUser Stories Applied by Mike Cohn http://amzn.to/2vKv4JI\nTroy Magennis & Focused Objective http://focusedobjective.com \nUser Story Mapping by Jeff Patton http://amzn.to/2wckyOg\nAgile Manifesto http://agilemanifesto.org