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This episode of DrunkenPM Radio features a conversation with ThinkLouder\u2019s Giora Morein. During this discussion Giora offers his take on how things have evolved within the Agile space over the past few years and some of the challenges we currently face. For example, if you are trying to use Scrum to build twice the work in half the time, how do you make sure that all the extra stuff you are building is the right stuff? And what if you run out of valuable things to build? Giora and I cover a lot of ground during the interview, which culminates in Giora breaking down life in the world of Post-SAFe-ism.\n\nSHOW NOTES\n00:08 Podcast Begins\n00:50 An update on ThinkLouder\n02:15 Taking greater ownership of your organization\u2019s Agile Transformation\n03:20 Pivoting from the \u201cYou want more agile, you need more coach\u201d mindset\n03:45 Why an experienced Agilist and an agile coach are not the same thing\n08:48 Have we moved on to the \u201ccleaning up after the party\u201d stage of agile? Have the thought leaders moved on?\n12:27 Have we moved on to a less dynamic stage of the agile conversation? What new ideas in agile is Giora paying the most attention to.\n16:14 If you can do twice the work in half the time, how do you make sure the additional work you are doing is the right work?\n17:27 The new thing\u2026. the language of innovation\n18:10 It\u2019s easier to sell increased velocity/speed to IT than it is to sell transformation of an entire business\n19:57 It has to start with \u201cWhat\u2019s the business driver?\u201d\n20:45 The only way Giora and I are going to end up with flying cars\n22:32 Use Agile to figure out how to best meet the organization\u2019s business drivers (getting deep in Oklahoma)\n23:34 Building the wrong thing really fast is not helping anyone\n24:13 Micro-maturation in Scaling\n24:34 Post-SAFe-ism\n25:45 How to reach Giora\n26:29 Podcast Ends\n\nCONTACTING GIORA\nIf you\u2019d like to contact Giora directly, here are some ways to reach him:\n\nWeb: https://ThinkLouder.com\nEmail: gmorein@thinklouder.com\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/gmorein