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A few weeks ago Don Kim put up a blog post challenging the value of certifications. I reached out to Don in hopes of doing an interview about it and found out he\u2019s also written a new book \u201cI think Therefore I Plan\u201d. In this interview we discuss the pros and cons of different certifications, taking an artisan approach to managing projects as well as Don\u2019s new book.\n\nYou can find Don\u2019s book here: http://amzn.to/2n7VEHu\nYou can find Don\u2019s blog post about certifications here: http://bit.ly/2okDUZA\n\nShow Notes:\n00:07 Interview Start\n00:30 What is a Human APEE\n03:38 What is an Artisan approach to Project Management\n05:15 Don\u2019s Philosophy of Project Management\n07:22 Trying to slow down and do less\n08:21 Don explains his way of approaching project work and the reason for the book\n10:56 How has the traditional vs. Agile debate changed over the past few years\n12:53 Seeing the value in every project you work on - regardless of how you got it\n16:15 The downside of certifications\n17:29 The positive aspects of certifications\n18:03 There is more to project management training than just PMP certification\n19:48 Making the case for the value certifications can provide and how it can be misunderstood\n23:22 Does it make sense for people to want to have a way of gauging their professional achievement?\n23:55 What Don expected from PMP certification and how he went deep with the Kerzner to get the most learning out of it (instead of just passing the test)\n26:41 Is it the certification that is an issue, or the way people interpret it as an end point rather than a beginning\n27:50 An overview of the approach Don\u2019s book takes towards the art of Project Management\n30:56 Where you can find Don\u2019t book and how you can reach him with follow up questions\n31:54 Podcast Ends\n\nYou can reach Don Kim on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donkim/\n\nFeedback/Comments: drunkenpm@gmail.com