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The Trust Artist, Olaf Lewitz, along with his partner, Christine Neidhardt, are gearing ready for their upcoming TrustTemenos Certified Agile Leadership trainings. Certified Agile Leadership trainings are a new, advanced level of training classes being offered through the Scrum Alliance. In this interview Olaf and I discuss the reason for his TrustTemenos CAL class, how it can help people become better Agile leaders, and the value of Certified Agile Leadership.\n\nSafety is a very hot topic in the Agile space right now. During our conversation about safety, Olaf shared one of the most powerful things I have heard during an interview this year: \n\u201cWhen you talk to people about trust, it rises. When you talk to people about safety, they get scared\u201d\n\nEvery conversation I have with Olaf leaves me more aware and (I hope) a bit smarter than I was when it began. I hope you will get as much value from listening to this as I did from recording the conversation. \n\nAnd you can find links to Olaf\u2019s upcoming classes and events, as well as his contact info, below the show notes.\n\nShow Notes\n00:07 Podcast Intro\n01:27 Begins\n01:57 An overview of Agile Leadership Training\n04:48 A skeptical response to the idea of Agile Leadership Training and Olaf\u2019s response\n07:16 Developing a thinking model to understand what we need and how that drives our actions\n09:11 The power of metaphor in leadership and Dave\u2019s aversion to boats\n11:03 Giving people tools to grow their awareness of how they show up\n11:34 These classes cover advanced leadership topics - not the basics\n12:16 \u201cIf you trust in yourself\u2026 you will still get beaten by people\u201d\n13:05 Skepticism is an important part of any class and any transition\n13:32 It\u2019s about being intentional and aware\n15:23 There is a specific type of learning that involves being uncomfortable because what you believe is challenged\n15:57 Extending the question of leadership beyond work and helping them understand more about their awareness and intention\n17:00 Olaf shares a story about his first experience working as a boss\n21:29 The advice Olaf about give his 29 year-old self about being a boss for the firs time\n22:23 It\u2019s okay to ask for help\n24:05 A question about safety and what it means to create a safe space\n25:42 When you talk to people about trust, it rises, when you talk to people about safety, they get scared\n27:22 What is Certified Agile Leadership Training? What level of knowledge experience do you need to attend?\n28:08 What will CAL training do for a leader/manager in an Agile organization?\n29:28 Where to learn more about Olaf\u2019s upcoming classes, where you can see him speak and how to get in touch with him if you have questions.\n\nLinks from the Podcast\nShowing Up - the book written by Olaf and Christine https://leanpub.com/showingup\nTrustTemenos Leadership Academy: https://trusttemenos.de\nUpcoming CAL Trainings - https://trusttemenos.de/certified-agile-leadership-cal1/\nOlaf\u2019s session at the 2017 Scrum Gathering San Diego is called: Product Owner: Mapping Dramas and Dreams and it will be held in the Harbor Island 1 room on Monday, April 10 from 1 PM until 2:15 PM For more info on the Scrum Gathering: https://www.scrumalliance.org/sgcal\n\nContacting Olaf\nLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olaflewitz/\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/OlafLewitz\nWebsite: http://trustartist.com