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Despite the fact that Agile practices have been applied to just about every type of work you can imagine, there is still a pervasive assumption that it is just for software. In the CSM and CSPO classes I teach, people often ask for \u201creal life examples\u201d of how people not working directly on software teams are able to use agile and to what end.\n\nThis week, Lee Lis, Chief of Staff at OnPay, joins me to talk about exactly that. During the conversation, we discuss ways she has applied agile practices in her role at OnPay to create an environment that fosters an agile mindset and self-managing teams that are empowered to take ownership of their work. We also explore different ways in which Lee has been able to take an empirical approach as a parent of small humans who may not fully grok the idea of self-managing yet.\n\nIf you are someone who has been struggling to find ways to begin using agile and you don\u2019t have a software project to work on, you should get some great ideas by listening to this episode. \n\nContacting Lee\nLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lee-lis-2181942b