Chapter 132: Robin Dunbar on nullifying negativity with numbered natural networks

Published: Jan. 25, 2024, 5:54 p.m.

Back in Chapter 101 of \u20183 Books\u2019 we had a magical, eve-of-\u2018Everything-Everywhere-All-At-Once\u2019-coming-out moment-in-time conversation with creative super-geniuses Daniels \u2014 who are Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert. We were discussing the fascinating book 'Sex At Dawn' and our conversation led to discussing Dunbar\u2019s Number.

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Dunbar\u2019s Number! Have you heard of Dunbar\u2019s Number? It\u2019s 150! That\u2019s the cognitive limit on the number of social relationships we can have. We, as in humans. Limit, as in our brains can\u2019t handle any more. The number was coined, of course, by Oxford Emeritus Professor, Anthropologist, Evolutionary Psychologist, and General All-Round Super-Genius Robin, yes you guessed it, Dunbar. \u201cThere are only eight people with numbers named after them,\u201d Robin says, with a grin. \u201cAnd the other seven people are dead.\u201d (Shoutout to Avogadro!)

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Now: 150 is one in a series of numbers. More intimately: We have 15 \u2018shoulders to cry on friends\u2019, those who\u2019d drop everything to help us or for whom we\u2019d drop everything to help. And our cognitively limited brains can handle 500 \u2018acquaintances\u2019 and even 5000 \u2018total faces.\u2019 But 150? That\u2019s the limit for \u2018friends\u2019. No wonder 150 is the average wedding size, it\u2019s the average number of total people who 'see your Christmas card\u2019, and it\u2019s even the average size of 8000-year-old Middle East villages and 1000-year-old English countryside villages.

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Once you start seeing this number \u2014 it\u2019s hard to stop. But: Why is it important? Well, because friendships, the trust between all of us, it\u2019s \u2026 at an all-time low. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy (our guest in Chapter 66!) has declared a \u2018loneliness\u2019 epidemic with 1 in 2 adults feeling alone now \u2014 higher than ever before in history. (Doesn\u2019t sound too bad till you realize loneliness is worse for our health than smoking 15 cigarettes a day!) Meanwhile, the Harvard Adult Development Study, the longest study ever on happiness, says that friendship and community is the number one source of happiness.

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So enter: Robin Dunbar! Wise, cheery, and ever-eloquent, he\u2019s got a massive mind capable of distilling more than five decades of scientific work \u2014 and 16 published books including \u2018How Religion Evolved\u2019, \u2018How Many Friends Does One Person Need?\u2019, and \u2018Friends\u2019 \u2014 into simple observations, prophecies, and advice on how we can all live richer, more fulfilling lives.

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I found this an astoundingly nutritious conversation and we talk about: how to raise children, what HR departments *should* be doing, what you\u2019re doing wrong when you go to the gym, why religion \u2018dies during times of peace and revives during times of war\u2019, the death and finding of our deep community, Robin\u2019s 3 most formative books, and much, much, *much* more...

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Let\u2019s flip the page into Chapter 132...

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