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b'Kain Warwick, founder of Synthetix, and Ben Jones, cofounder and chief scientist at Optimism Foundation, discuss the current state of Ethereum Layer 2s, Optimism\\u2019s new governance structure, why Synthetix chose to build on Optimism, and more. Show topics:\\n what Optimism and Synthetix are\\n how zero-knowledge rollups differ from optimistic rollups\\n why Synthetix decided to build on Optimism\\n what makes L2s more enticing to build on than other L1s\\n how Optimism\\u2019s governance is going to change with the launch of the Optimism Collective and OP token\\n what issues Synthetix has had with Discord governance and early token voting, and how they have now solved this by forcing users to consolidate wallet addresses\\n what retroactive public goods funding is and how it could create a \\u201cflywheel\\u201d of development on Optimism\\n why whales might be excluded from Optimism\\u2019s token grant to Synthetix\\n why Ben thinks the future is about the \\u201csuperchain\\u201d rather than multi-chain\\xa0\\n what Kain and Ben think about bridging between L2s and Mainnet\\n why Optimism is a staunch backer of EIP 4844\\n how the merge could affect Optimism and Synthetix\\n Thank you to our sponsors!\\n Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unconfirmedcardearnfeb2021\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\n Coinchange: https://coinchange.io\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\n OnJuno: https://onjuno.com/\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Episode Links\\n \\xa0\\n Guests\\n Ben Jones: https://twitter.com/ben_chain\\n\\n Kain Warwick: https://twitter.com/kaiynne\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Synthetix\\n https://twitter.com/synthetix_io\\n \\xa0\\n Optimism\\n \\nhttps://twitter.com/optimismPBC\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Optimism Collective\\n \\n https://optimism.mirror.xyz/gQWKlrDqHzdKPsB1iUnI-cVN3v0NvsWnazK7ajlt1fI\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Synthetix Launching on Optimism\\n \\n https://blog.synthetix.io/optimism-launch-announcement/\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Synthetix Governance\\n \\nhttps://docs.synthetix.io/governance/\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Kain\\u2019s Blog\\n \\nhttps://blog.synthetix.io/author/kain/\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Rollups\\n What are the biggest risks to optimistic rollup chains?\\n \\n https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html#:~:text=Anatomy%20of%20a%20fraud%20proof\\xa0\\n \\n What is the difference between optimistic and ZK rollups? And why did Synthetix choose Optimism?\\n \\n https://blog.matter-labs.io/optimistic-vs-zk-rollup-deep-dive-ea141e71e075\\xa0\\n \\n \\xa0\\n EIP 4844\\n https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-4844\\n https://www.eip4844.com/\\n \\xa0\\n The Merge\\n \\n https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-ethereums-merge-was-delayed-and-why-it-wont-reduce-gas-fees-much/\\xa0\\n \\xa0\\n Kain\\u2019s previous Unchained appearances\\n Ethereum killers episode\\n https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-solana-and-binance-smart-chain-could-take-ethereums-lead/\\n \\n How Synthetix became the second-largest DeFi platform\\n https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-synthetix-became-the-second-largest-defi-platform/\\n \\n DeFi summer\\n \\n https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-comp-5xed-on-day-1-and-what-this-means-for-a-defi-bull-market/\\xa0\\n \\n \\xa0\\n Optimism\\u2019s Bridging Solution\\n \\n https://twitter.com/optimismPBC/status/1517548430297604096\\xa0\\n \\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices'