# 194 Courage with Stephan Neff

Published: Aug. 11, 2021, 3 p.m.

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Courage is taking the first step and doing it afraid. An fear is merely courage that has not been prayed for yet. Cassey Holland and Stacy Johnston had a delightful conversation with special guest, Stephan Neff, all the way from New Zealand. Join in as we deep dive into courage and the journey to find it. 

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