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In this episode, Conrad and I talk about Ron DeSantis\\u2019 presidential campaign, his possible downfall, and the possibility of him outflanking Trump when it comes to nationalist-populist traditionalist issues.

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\\u25cf\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0 \\u201cThe Achilles\\u2019 heel to DeSantis\\u2019 campaign is he\\u2019s trying to appeal to the populist vote while at the same time being fully backed by the very forces that provoked that populism in the first place."

\\u25cf\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0\\xa0 "We always feel the pressure of putting up that person as our nominee who the donor class is comfortable with. Hopefully, 2016 and 2020 shattered that permanently, as it should. Now we have a very different structure in place where grassroots rank and file, rural populists are now running the party."

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[02:34] Ron DeSantis\\u2019 downfall - his struggling charisma and the people that surround him

[06:34] The difference between DeSantis and Trump

[08:20] Can DeSantis outflank Trump when it comes to nationalist-populist traditionalist issues?

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