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Published: Aug. 30, 2023, 11 a.m.

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Hello from three far-flung cities!\\xa0

This week, we\\u2019re joined by our pal Vinson Cunningham, staff writer and theatre critic for The New Yorker.\\xa0

After briefly interrogating Jay\\u2019s recent pivot to dad-hiker fashion (pic for subscribers only), we hear Vinson\\u2019s take on the Trump mugshot. [4:05] The image gets us talking about aesthetic self-perception, the celebrity accused in popular culture, and the lack of a good analysis of Trump\\u2019s true appeal. [41:45] Next, we discuss last week\\u2019s G.O.P. primary debate, which causes Jay to confront what fascinates him about Vivek Ramaswamy, Tammy to question her EMILYs List impulses, and Vinson to call b******t on right-wing claims of populism.\\xa0

In this episode, we ask:\\xa0

How does the Trump mugshot, a visual anomaly in the history of presidential imagery, reflect on our political system? What\\u2019s the value of similar pix in countries where former leaders are regularly imprisoned?\\xa0

Is there any ceiling on this Trump thing?\\xa0

Why didn\\u2019t the G.O.P. primary debate feature more culture-war talk?\\xa0

For more, see:\\xa0

* Vinson\\u2019s recent piece about the Trump mugshot, plus older ruminations on presidential imagery:\\xa0

* From 2017: Pete Souza and the Politics of Looking at Barack Obama

* From 2018: The Politics of Race and the Photo That Might Have Derailed Obama

* Jay\\u2019s recent articles about integration in Shaker Heights, Ohio and Vivek Ramaswamy\\u2019s debate performance\\xa0

* A Q&A by Isaac Chotiner (apols for the New Yorker plugs) about the constitutional case for barring Trump from the presidency

* Previous TTSG episodes featuring Vinson:\\xa0

* \\u201cT\\xe1r,\\u201d a film for the chattering class (February 2023)\\xa0

* "Mare of Easttown" special impromptu episode! (May 2021)\\xa0\\xa0

* Vinson Cunningham on the NBA, Yang, and IRL theatre (May 2021)\\xa0

And pre-order Vinson\\u2019s forthcoming novel!\\xa0

* Out of respect for our many repeat guests, we note that this episode marks Vinson\\u2019s fourth TTSG appearance, which ties him with Hua Hsu and Jenny Wang Medina.\\xa0

Subscribe on Patreon or Substack to join our Discord community (and see photo evidence of Jay\\u2019s newfound style). You can also follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter, and email us at timetosaygoodbyepod@gmail.com.\\xa0

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