Everything is collapsing around the world, with Andy Liu

Published: Nov. 29, 2023, noon

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Hello from Philly!\\xa0

This week, Andy joins us for one of Tammy\\u2019s last eps as a host of TTSG. \\U0001f972 After catching up on dog COVID, [6:10] we discuss how China\\u2019s historical self-identification as a vanguard of the Third World has given way, through decades of technological and economic growth, to a more general anti-West position. [29:00] We also reflect on the various pockets of U.S. public opinion on Gaza and Zionism, from Andy\\u2019s college students to our elected officials (and their press secretaries). [53:30] Finally, we debate whether the term \\u201cbarbaric\\u201d has been selectively applied since October 7, along with larger questions of media bias.\\xa0

In this episode, we ask:\\xa0

Where does China\\u2019s relatively strong support of Palestine come from, and is it actually as strong as it seems?\\xa0

How does the movement for a free Palestine fit into the idea of what it means to be a good leftist?\\xa0

Should media outlets rethink when to publish gruesome images of victims of violence?\\xa0

For more, see:\\xa0

* Times coverage of the Biden-Xi Summit (and Blinken\\u2019s reaction to a Biden gaffe)\\xa0

* More on the three young Palestinian American students who were shot in Vermont, the NYU doctor who was fired over his racist social media posts, and the friendship between a Palestinian and a pro-Israel chef in Philly that has soured

* Words from Lydia Polgreen and from Jay on the question of publishing graphic photos of children killed in Gaza\\xa0

Reminder: Tammy is hosting a virtual TTSG book club meeting for subscribers tonight at 5pm PST // 8pm EST (9am in Shanghai) with cartoonist, illustrator, and Discord OG Jillian Tamaki! We\\u2019ll get some BTS insight from Jillian on the graphic novel she just published with her cousin and co-author, Mariko Tamaki, Roaming. You can find the Zoom info on Discord or in this post!\\xa0

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