b'Dan replays two interviews Chuck did with the late, great David Graeber, the first about his book on bureaucracy "The Utopia of Rules," the second on the book "Bullshit Jobs."\\n\\nhttps://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-utopia-of-rules/\\n\\nhttps://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bullshit-Jobs/David-Graeber/9781501143335'