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Published: Sept. 21, 2022, 11:45 a.m.

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Creator of the Re-Sourcing MethodTM\\xa0 Jenna Smith provides a tangible framework for people to access their untapped resources in order to live a life of purpose, deep confidence, and self-trust.

An in-demand speaker, professional singer, coach, and author. Jenna is known as the \\u201creal deal\\u201d to get you past trying and fixing,\\xa0 to fully living as your ideal self \\u2014 permanently.\\xa0

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Because she aligns people back to their nature: As confident, worthy, creative, successful beings.\\xa0

Cutting through half-baked Woo-Woo and Ra-Ra self-development, Jenna provides concrete easy-to-learn tools for tangible results that last a lifetime.

Jenna Smith trained in Spiritual Psychotherapy, Ontological Coaching, Peak Performance, Oneness, as well as Shamanism and Intuitive healing from Peru, India, Africa, Ireland, and North America

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• www.jennasmithcoaching.com

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Intro Guy 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one I\'m to hear you\'ve questioned so much more than those around you. You\'ve even questioned yourself as to how you can have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in their thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can\'t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don\'t have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dove with your host Brandon Handley. Let\'s get right into today\'s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:43
One Hey, there\'s spiritual taupe. I\'m on here today with Jenna Smith. She is the creator of the resourcing method, Jenna provides a tangible framework for people to tune into their untapped resources in order to live a life of purpose with deep confidence and self trust. An in demand speaker professional singer coach and author Jenner is known as the real deal to get you beyond trying and fixing to fully living as your ideal self permanently. Jenna has been trained as spiritual psychotherapy, Ontological Coaching, peak performance oneness, as well as shamanism and intuitive healing from Peru, India, Africa island in North America. Jenna what\'s going on?

Jenna Smith 1:28
It\'s always interesting listening to that. I\'m hanging out in southern Ontario, Canada, a little snowy right now.

Brandon Handley 1:36
Well, I mean, you\'re lucky I love the snow, even a lot of snow. I\'ve never really had to spend much time much further than Maine for winter, which, which was cool enough for me, I think that might be my limit. But who knows. I still like the snow and ice. Anyways, thanks for being here today. With us, we, we connected you and I connected over on pod match. I love it. It\'s like Tinder for podcasts are so different. And, and we get the opportunity to you know, see if there\'s a good fit beat. And before we hop on the call, and we did that actually, we still hopped on one just make sure was a good fit and really looking forward to the conversation to

Jenna Smith 2:18
me too excited.

Brandon Handley 2:20
So Jenna out, I always like to start these off with the whole idea that you know, you and I are conduits for your creative source source energy. I think you know, coming from shamanism, what you hear in shamanism is like being the hollow bone or something like that, right. And there\'s always something kind of flowing through us and whatever is flowing through us really ease isn\'t even for us, most likely it\'s for somebody else. And and there\'s a message that\'s coming through you today at this moment that somebody\'s gonna hear on the other end of this podcast. What is that message today?

Jenna Smith 3:01
I feel like well, when you said sometimes it\'s not even for you, I feel like it\'s also always for you. But, um, I\'m feeling like freedom is an inside job is is the two and I\'m hearing right now. Like just dialing in our capacity to feel free from the inside. And then how that reflect in the outside world. And to dream like dream, our dream into being versus react from what\'s being already there, or other people are doing, you know, to be a creator. So that\'s, that\'s the vibe.

Brandon Handley 3:43
I love it, right? The whole ideas that we\'re here creating our lives and, you know, one way or another, we\'re active participants. And hopefully we\'re willing, active, knowledgeable participants, creating something that we actually want in our lives versus being you know, being like, I think you said reactionary, right versus like, oh, shit, this is showing my life, I better tend to get out here freedom\'s an inside job, though, to your point. So I think that\'s a great message and a great way to start us off. So, you know, I know that we connected over the fact of you, you\'re, you\'re doing your coaching and you\'re in space of doing, you\'ve done like many years of psychotherapy, you\'ve done many years like peak performance. And you also ended up doing well call like just Aboriginal right? Healing, right. This is the the type of healing work that you\'ll find in native spaces. Yeah. Indigenous, there\'s no word. That\'s indigenous. So, you know, let\'s talk a little bit about your journey. You know, what do you think has been what has led you to this more spiritual space? Outside of the general? I\'ll just call it the general grind. Let\'s talk a bit about how you landed where you are today. And what are some things we could share with the audience? So it\'ll help them to step out of the grind and step into themselves, right?

Jenna Smith 5:27
Yeah, yeah, and come with it. Sometimes the language I\'ll use is like 3d and five d, and maybe your audience would be familiar with that. But essentially, like a 3d existence, dimensional d dimensional, you have a job, and you have to do what\'s in front of you. And you follow these rules, and you kind of just don\'t have your own voice, and you don\'t have any freedom and power, really, you\'re just doing what\'s in front of you. And that\'s it. And that\'s true for many people. And whereas, like a five D reality is the acknowledgement that you\'re co creating, and you just slowly start to step out and out and out of systemic oppression and things that aren\'t there to, to empower humans. So just, I just thought I\'d say that in case they say 3d and 5g, but how I got here was I think I came in at five D was like wtf is happening. So I mean, nothing extraordinary. My dad worked in the salt mine, my mom was a grade one teacher. But I was always an empath. I was always feeling other people\'s feelings and aware of things. And I could feel at home in nature. And eventually, when I got more and more to music, and eventually that was like, Oh, that makes sense. Because that\'s just creator, unencumbered, like nature, music, creation, anything in that creative realm where we\'re the intermediary of creation, right? So I was raised Roman Catholic, though. And that, that something felt off to me when I was, you know, kneeling and sitting and standing and mumbling the thing you\'re supposed to say at the time, you\'re supposed to say it without any connection to it. And I was like, hmm, this doesn\'t. This doesn\'t make sense to me. So that\'s, that\'s sort of like, the origin of knowing that there\'s something else at a really young age and then life presented new things. I was in a car accident when I was 15. And sustained, like soft tissue injuries, absolutely everywhere, nothing broke, but everything hurt. And that created a sleep disturbance. So I had like, no restorative sleep and chronic pain. And that created something called prevalent algea, or chronic pain syndrome. People might be aware of that. Basically, you\'re just always in pain, your brain doesn\'t work as well, all these kinds of things. And the doctors are like, yeah, so no, this is just how it is. You\'re just gonna have to deal with being in pain and there wasn\'t any options. And again, my voice in my head was like, really, like, you know, I didn\'t know the other option. But essentially, that led me to learning Reiki, Reiki got me connected to the energy world, like my Reiki teacher was like, hey, I can help you. And so my teachers, so over time to make a pretty long story short, teachers came to me the more that I was receptive to them. So what I would notice is I would create this opening of like, maybe there\'s another way or I think there\'s another way, and then a teacher would come. I didn\'t like, seek things. Often. My teachers found me. My teachers came to me so my Reiki teacher was a synchronistic event where I mentioned the word Reiki, and then someone\'s like, I\'m taking Reiki I\'m like, Okay, I\'m gonna go to that thing. It was completely non forced. They always came to me. And then with shamanism, it just made sense to me. So energy made sense. To me. Reiki made sense to me. Oh, we\'re energy. And it\'s just, you know, when something sounds right, it that there\'s like, yeah, this makes sense that energy can come through. And this feels good. Oh, cool. Look at how I can sense things with my hands. And I kind of always knew were there. And then just kept getting more and more refined. And then in the real world, like, oh, I should have a job. So I love singing, and I was good at singing. And I went to university for singing, because apparently, that\'s gonna get you a singing career, which it won\'t. So that\'s not a thing. It\'ll get you in debt. And then you\'ll be like, Oh, what\'s, what\'s the plan for this? So that led me to being a personal trainer and doing these jobs and being in that 3d world, like, oh, had to pay my rent level up, but all the while I\'m doing spiritual development. And I need my shaman mentor, random guy named Chris. You know, like, he doesn\'t have a special shaman name.

Brandon Handley 9:51
I\'m just assuming. Yeah, I mean, we all know

Jenna Smith 9:56
Chris is actually his shot. I was like, No, that\'s wrong. His shaman He was left foot. But normal looking dude named Chris at a music festival looks at me strangely. And I was like, what\'s that about? Then we did an energy exchange and he helped me put my spirit back in my body. He\'s like, do you want to put your spirit back in your body? Yes.

Brandon Handley 10:18
Do I know what that means? Yes, Chris. That\'d be fantastic. I\'m guessing you\'re the you\'re the person that does this.

Jenna Smith 10:24
Yeah, like he had a t shirt and everything. So So I actually joke about him like strange, man. I think I was 22. Now he was maybe 3040s. And I was like, oh, yeah, come back to my mom\'s house. So we\'ll do an energy exchange of bodywork

Brandon Handley 10:40
Did Did you tell your mom that that\'s what was happening? Oh, didn\'t

Jenna Smith 10:44
tell her all I\'m just like these, this free creature. Luckily, my spirit guides are like, we\'ve got to just corral this chick until we get her tuned up. So. So either way, he put my spirit back on my body we did. It was at a traditional healer, heal me lie on a table, they heal you, right. That\'s what I was used to. I go and get Reiki, I go and get healed, I go see a healer. This was you know, weird to kind of like Tai Chi movements. And then you access something in the spirit world as a shaman and then you can blow it, it\'s another way to move into the physical through your breath, to blow that energy back into where it belongs. Or to blow out energy that is not in the highest. So there\'s no good or bad in shamanism, it\'s usable energy and usable energy. So when that happened, I felt a distinct shift because a bunch of we did a heart thing. And so a bunch of ex boyfriends popped up, like, called me something is like, out of nowhere, like one week in the one week period. I had a dream about you to learn. I\'m like, okay, strange, but so so it\'s like evidence, right? Like, this isn\'t a coincidence. This would not have happened otherwise. And then my actual like, fiance type person living with me left, I went back home and there was a posted, I\'m, I here\'s the key, like insects in the city. So I was that I quit. Yeah, like, I can\'t like something like I couldn\'t do as in person. Something something and I was so devastated. But this spirit in my body new vibrational muscle that I had was like, just curious, just wandering, and not freaking out. So both happening simultaneously. So I call Chris. Um, why did you do? What, by the way, he said, you know, she said, His Spirit stuff that I now say to my clients of like, you need to see each other with new eyes, blah, blah, blah. But it was just evidence to me, it was just intangible world that was just so powerfully boom, like, superhero landing, made tangible, like this energy shift. Did that recalibrating my life to match my spirit more?

Brandon Handley 13:26
Right? Right, right, right. You energetically aligned right? Your spirit was like in your body and present and kind of an awareness of the Spirit in of itself, right? Just be like, Oh, shit, like Peter Pan, right? You So you found your shadow and you sewed it back on?

Jenna Smith 13:44
Just just just that space was filled and and and now I could see through those eyes. So sort of like bambi legs, though. Oh, I don\'t know what I\'m doing yet.

Brandon Handley 13:57
We have to get like three or four more Disney references. And by the end of the podcast,

Jenna Smith 14:02
we\'ll get sponsored. I love Disney movies. And I sang right and I like talk to animals. So I\'m like, I wanted to present a Disney princess like obviously there should be a movie made about me. So anyway, that introduced me to shamanism that introduced me to the world of indigenous medicine which then more again, same thing, met mon Daza, from Zimbabwe who\'s a peacekeeper medicine man. So cool. He was taught how to be a medicine man from his ancestors through his dreams. So dragged about all the herbs and everything his feet were hanging over riverbank, seeing all the herbs without any instruction he went and got the herbs that he Oh this looks like this and didn\'t know what they were. Next stream was basically an encyclopedia of feeling like this is for this in this is for that. And then people started coming. So he tells this isn\'t like some guy on TV trying to make money like This is like he has nothing to prove. So like this Is this legitimate other good five d, where you\'re given instructions, you are being trained, you\'re being receptive, you\'re participating in your training, which is also very important. And then the people come, then you\'re then you\'re a magnet, right? Then you have that magnetic quality. So then the right people came, the people who needed him came and etc, etc. So learn from him a little bit and then just followed by spirit, just follow like, oh, go to Peru. Oh, go to these things. It wasn\'t like,

Unknown Speaker 15:36
I should go to Peru so I can get a selfie on Machu Picchu, and then that\'d be super cool. And it\'d be super spiritual. Like,

Jenna Smith 15:42
none of that voice guided my journey. And I think that\'s why like, Now this stuff is really cool. Like, when I was in high school, I\'m 39. This was not cool. Like, this was like weird. And, you know, like, oh, like it wasn\'t Oh, neat. Tell me about chakras. Like, oh, my gosh, you\'re a shaman meet like before?

Brandon Handley 16:08
It\'s definitely it\'s definitely interesting to see this kind of surge in the space. I mean, I think that Ayahuasca has a lot to do with it. I think that the

Jenna Smith 16:22
entrepreneurs, tech startups, well,

Brandon Handley 16:25
and a lot of, you know, I think, you know, plant medicine being legal now, like everywhere, right? Like, so with that coming to the forefront, there\'s like, it\'s become just a little bit more mainstream and acceptable, right. To your point to you\'ve got tech entrepreneurs and people with high profiles, it\'d be like, Yeah, I asked him for life, bro. And so, you know, it\'s bringing it to the forefront and making it this kind of cool thing. But what I think and you know, love to hear your part on this. And thoughts on this as well, is we got to be real careful, right? This is like a veneer, right? This is just the surface level of, you know, the spirituality, right, like just saying your spiritual wearing all the clothes and doing all this shit. Doesn\'t necessarily mean that you are, you know, connected to yourself. Right. I actually kind of had a question earlier. You know, where\'s the disconnect in general religion, right? Traditional religion, and want to make sure that we don\'t go down that same path again.

Jenna Smith 17:38
Yeah, I believe in there\'s many rivers to the same ocean. Energy about spirit religion, as long as it\'s like, the not the human vs. Right. So the human vs of like control and power, and we both can\'t be right at the same time. That is when you need to call BS because Spirit is we\'re all right, all the time. So there\'s, there isn\'t that war energy, there isn\'t any separation, there literally isn\'t in that frequency. And we can\'t get there from the mind. We can\'t get there from a cognitive mind.

Unknown Speaker 18:24
So yeah,

Brandon Handley 18:25
well tell me more about that.

Jenna Smith 18:28
Yeah, so the mind naturally will separate to the mind will naturally see good and bad, it\'s a good thing. It\'s like, that smells bad. Don\'t eat it. Like it\'s a good tool for life and for relationships and for unity and oneness and CO creating a world that doesn\'t suck. Not a great tool. Like it\'s limited. So the cognitive mind is bound to what has been, and what\'s been told to you.

Brandon Handley 18:58
And the target in mind, again, cognitive mind, again, is what\'s bound and what

Jenna Smith 19:04
it\'s bound to only what has been, and what\'s right in front of you. So it\'s what they are doing and what has been done. So it\'s not the place of innovation and creation and possibility. And unless someone has the courage to bring that in, but the cognitive mind is not the place where you create new things, or you create deep connection. It\'s a tool. It\'s just simply a tool, but it\'s not meant to be what we live from dominantly

Brandon Handley 19:37
does so now of course, the follow up question is where are we supposed to live? dominantly.

Jenna Smith 19:43
So, I believe we have the capacity to use our mind as a tool. And our body is a gateway to intelligent information through sensation and our heartspace which can also be used with emotions, it\'s a space. You know, when you there\'s no words, right? This is where music comes in, this is where poetry comes down. This is where art comes in, where it\'s trying to translate that thing that you can\'t bring words to what we try. And it\'s a beautiful trying, when we do it artistically. The dot space is the space of love and creation, where there is no noise of thoughts, because the thought is meant to be a tool. It\'s very reductionist, what I\'m saying but it\'s, it\'s to help make sense of something make sense of where we could go with it. And we can increase our capacity of feeling with sensations in our body, we can increase our capacity, feeling the space of the heart and living from it more and more and, and going to fill up fill up in this space. Um, we just aren\'t, we\'re taught, we just weren\'t taught but the Ayahuasca is in the plant medicines are also those gateways, those access points that clean off our receivers. So but I like to make it really grounded and really easy, and like something preschool kids could do. So then that means adults could do it to feeling like they would be dumb if they dried, but your body and your heart. And so there\'s this place called your center, where all of it is there, like you can feel the body sensations, the mind has something to say, the heart is giving us data, it\'s all data. And then there\'s a space in between, there\'s a space in between all of that where we are. Hmm. And that\'s, that\'s where if we go from there, we\'re good. No matter the circumstances or conditions, this is what I\'ve come to find. You know, my dad\'s committed suicide, I\'ve been through a tornado killed chronic pain, blah, blah, blah. And it\'s, it\'s this, it\'s this place where I don\'t break where it is unbreakable, you know. So that center place where you have access to your body, your heart, and your mind, and then your spirit. All working at the same time.

Brandon Handley 22:13
I want to use the word like resilience for this place where you don\'t break. But is that a good word? Is there a better word that you can think of that would describe that place?

Jenna Smith 22:24
Hmm, I mean, I call it I call it this is the resourcing method. This is but it\'s not the best word either source like to resource to is the method of how to get there, but I would call this space like resilient is is a it\'s like a, you know, it\'s like an ad it\'s like your will get resiliency.

Brandon Handley 22:44
Right. Right, exactly. But I think that there\'s I think that if what I\'m understanding is that this is really a space where where you\'re connected, this is the place where you\'re connected, right, where you realize just in a moment that you\'re connected with source and in that space, right. Where you won\'t, you can\'t break. Right. I love you know, Bob Proctor. I haven\'t listened to him for a while. But one of the lies that he said, that really resonated with me back in the day was your spiritual DNA is perfect. Right. And so since then, I\'ve always had to agree with him. So this is a place where you\'re spiritually connected, and you can\'t, it\'s impossible to break. So that would be I guess, where I would land that. Would you agree? Disagree?

Jenna Smith 23:42
Yeah, there\'s no wrong or bad. There\'s no behind or forward. You know, you\'re not like, you know, people like, Oh, I\'m dealing with this again, on like, two steps back with no

Brandon Handley 23:54
users right here. Always here. Right?

Jenna Smith 23:58
Yeah. And, and we heal in a spiral. Right. So sometimes the you that\'s a new new expression of yourself looks at an old date with new eyes with new capacity with new resourcing. In order to bring it fresh consciousness, bring it fresh, bring it Love, bring it attention, we don\'t have to add fancy words bring attention to something that was too hard to be with before. Okay, there\'s something wrong with that. So yeah, I like all that.

Brandon Handley 24:28
And I like the idea to have it being in a spiral. It always makes me think I always think of the golden ratio, right? And just kind of like the growth is the growth is it gets bigger as you go out, but you still TierPoint like you can still see all of the rest of what\'s happening. So one of the things I want to hit on too, I mean, I\'m definitely loving the you know, the indigenous conversation and talking about some of that but also want to just make sure that the people listening because You\'ve also got two degrees in psychotherapy, right? So I mean, it\'s not like you didn\'t go to school and study and you just did a bunch of ayahuasca and hung out mud baths for a couple years and came out of it being like, Hey, I\'m a healer. You\'re like, Hey, I also am classically trained, Western style. And then, you know, East meets West. Let\'s talk about the convergence of the two a little bit and how that\'s where do you see that convergence?

Jenna Smith 25:30
Well, it\'s a great time, as you said, the hype Enos of plant medicine that can be misunderstood is like a transactional nature, I take this, I get that. No. And so if you don\'t have discernment, Trump being a trauma informed therapist is, luckily, it\'s trendy now. Like, it\'s also gaining trend, which is great mental health and the, there\'s some missing elements, but to be trained hours and hours and mentors, and it\'s, it\'s, it\'s so small thing, and I\'m not like tooting my own horn, I\'m just saying. It made sense to me to put that much time and effort into it. And the payoff is I am capable, when someone has something arise to deal with it. Like deep trauma, all of these things, you can\'t just Life Coach School them. Like there\'s some cool stuff with that have like habit management, all that kind of stuff. But when we talk about deep healing of human beings, fragmentation and PTSD and addictions and and you know, bringing up suicide, there\'s like, deep stuff that you don\'t want to eff with. Like, it is possible,

Brandon Handley 26:48
right? And as a coach myself, I\'m like, I tap out, I\'m like, I\'m out. You need somebody you need somebody else to deal with this shit.

Jenna Smith 26:56
Okay, it\'s just like saying,

Brandon Handley 26:59
Yeah, this is this, this is this is outside of my purview. But I love that, you know, you\'re able to, again, you\'re harnessing many different kinds of facets, right, many different pieces. And just curious again, to where you\'re seeing this convergence. Okay, right. Shamanism? Yeah.

Jenna Smith 27:20
Yeah, I\'m seeing in the world. Okay, so I started and then I went off, but there is what I love is the with the internet and the online world, that you\'re seeing more trauma informed with Gabor Ma Tei. And Thomas Hubel. You know, you never really hear their name out loud. That, that they\'re starting to have these conversations and those that are interested in seeking and wanting that wholeness are able to access this information, because it\'s out there. So there is a convergence, because, you know, in psychotherapy, you do inner child work, in shamanism you do. Soul Retrieval, right. So, um, and then there\'s just inner parts. In general, we have all of these inner parts that are dealt with in the psychotherapy, therapeutic model, that are also seen in the shamanic world, they\'re just different names. So it\'s really cool to be a part of both and then this Ontological Coaching and high performance and achievers and all that kind of stuff. And working with that type of personality type is really fascinating, but they all do converge, and how we relate to reality. So with the shamanism, being that creator, and not having it be wrong or bad. And then with psychotherapy, it is to bring Completion to things that haven\'t been processed before. So essentially, so you\'re not repeating the pattern, which is the same thing as being a co creator, right? Like, okay, so I tend to attract this kind of thing into my life, how can I be different in order to create an experience a different experience, so they, there is a lot of convergence. And the more you do it, the simpler it gets. That might have been like a lot of words, but what I find the essential truth of these converging is that we are already whole, what arises is what needs attention. And it\'s the right time if it arises, and you will attract the right people. I\'ve always attract the right teachers, but not if I think I need them. Now, if I\'m, you know, like up until 4am, looking for the solution to the problem. Right.

Brandon Handley 29:37
Yeah. So, I love that you\'re hitting on that point. I jotted that down earlier to when you\'re talking about the you know, being magnetic and having the people drawn to you right, like, you know, and without, without seeking, right we talk about I think we hear a lot in this you know, spiritual just five d See this other space have a life of ease, right? And how things are supposed to be easier. And people are like, No, you got, you got to do all this work and you do all this other stuff. But you\'re also now you\'re not. And so this, this part that you\'re sharing, which I just want to highlight is like, you know, the people showed up when you needed them without like, ultimately seeking them without saying, I need this now in my life. But then when you do, you\'re like, Oh, my God, where I need, like shamon 101. And I need it like in zip code 19465. Like, oh, I can\'t find a shaman that fits my needs. Right? Where\'s How come a shaman won\'t just show up? Right? It\'s just energy that we put out thinking, I think that I heard you talk a little bit about this on another podcast, trying to do it from the egoic place.

Jenna Smith 30:51
Trying to infer something\'s missing. So when when we\'re committed that something\'s missing, we\'re going to create, keep creating, something\'s missing. So we\'ll, we\'ll find somebody but they\'re maybe not great. Or like that you have a weird experience or

Brandon Handley 31:03
your lesson? No, Chris, there. No, Chris.

Jenna Smith 31:07
Chris, I mean, come on. That\'s the reality of it. I was gonna be like, what is Chris\'s

Brandon Handley 31:13
name, I need to get ahold of Chris, is that like, Chris? versus shannon.com? Is that what I heard him say?

Jenna Smith 31:20
He\'s gonna love this, it\'s so much fun. But you know, I do want to touch on that ease part. Because it\'s a both and you do work, you do do work on yourself, you do have a committed relationship to yourself and what comes your way. But there is ease on the other side of that, in order for you to be your fullest expression. So you can\'t just dink around, whatever, like, although sometimes I do because that\'s part of my full expression like, dawdling, it\'s like a way for me to kind of defragment or like hanging out on my hammock, like the things that make me more me, make me a better healer, make me more present, make me radiate more, so I can help more people, that that isn\'t the only reason why I\'m doing it, I get to live a great life, and I should, as you do, and as should others. And that\'s sort of like the memo, people need to get like you give from your overflow. And that\'s what you deserve to have is what is that life that creates those conditions for you to be that, and sometimes that\'s working more hours for some people, but the ease is in the lack of struggle that you\'re not?

Brandon Handley 32:38
Well, I mean, if you\'re working harder towards or in a life that you actually want, there\'s, there\'s a there\'s a purpose, there\'s a meaning there\'s alignment, right, then, you know, with all of that should come some type of ease in that. And it\'s not. Because it\'s your choice, right? Because this is this is like a meaningful, this is what I\'m doing. I\'m doing it on purpose, versus like, I\'m getting up to pay the bills, I\'m getting out because this I have to do this and all those things.

Jenna Smith 33:09
Nature. So there are ants, right there ants are as a species, right? That that\'s their jam. Like there are people, and I know them and usually hire them. Like you come work for me. Like because you love doing this. And I thrive with lots of space, lots of space and time to go into cave time. And I need that in order to go out back into the world. And I\'ve tried it different ways. But no, it just it\'s I would call it to be true to your nature to just assume the tree is going to have what it needs. And you know, the dog depending on where it lives, who\'s hosting it goes into should have what it needs, that in nature, you\'re going to have your needs back, just just just the way things are. But why not humans and to me, it\'s about returning to that that vibration of pay if I was created by a Creator and nature, this intersection of both which they are i There is a life where everything I\'m supposed to be is supposed to be here for me. Not because I\'m entitled. It\'s that everyone should essentially be able to come back to that existence because that just makes sense. That just makes sense to me.

Brandon Handley 34:21
Right? Right. I think honestly, we\'re seeing that a lot more out there right now. So I guess the question I would have is, let\'s let\'s talk about doing some work with Jana. Right? Like who you know, who you working with? What\'s uh, you know, somebody who\'s listening to this podcast is like, Yeah, I\'m down to do some spiritual shamanism and let\'s, let\'s get in out of the 3d indentified the, what are some of the first steps there?

Jenna Smith 34:49
Yeah, so I mean, I mean, like pragmatically My website is Janice with coaching.com. And I work with The people that I have on my website that feel deeply and think big, so they\'re, you know, the achiever types that they know there\'s something that they\'re here for, but they\'re dealing dissatisfied and that kind of thing. So when I work with people like that, through conversation, it\'s like transformational conversations we meet as they speak, I can hear where they\'re out of alignment I can hear where they\'re battling themselves. In reality, I can hear programs that aren\'t theirs that third their mom or this and I don\'t villainize parents, and I don\'t villainize the programs, it\'s just like, that\'s not you. And it\'s very pragmatic, and that by having those conversations, okay, now, here are the things that you as an individual, individualized things that work for most humans anyway. So that\'s a bonus that will tune you to you more. And it\'s like in digestible increments, because that\'s, again, what makes my my job easy, is I\'m tuning in to the intelligence of that person in front of me, knowing that it knows how to guide this person, with all of my gut with all my tools and all of my teaching all, but the biggest thing is to be present with the human in front of me, and listening deeply with presence and go from there. Maybe not the answer you\'re looking for. But that\'s what

Brandon Handley 36:25
I mean. That\'s what it looks like. Right? That\'s what looks like for somebody to come to you and do work with you and to initiate what you know, what is something I guess what is something practical that maybe somebody doesn\'t have the time to pick up the phone to call Jenna today? Or this week? Do you have anything that they could take a look at themselves some tools that you might offer?

Jenna Smith 36:52
Absolutely, yeah, so not sure if you have as a link notes. On my website, you\'ll see a link to programs and there are free meditations. So the heart breathing meditation is. So the three things I\'m always going to recommend our heart breathing, which is meditation to center into the heart space journaling, and sensing the body sensations. So those are the steps to start to strengthen those vibrational muscles I talk about with your body and your heart, managing your mind and accessing your spirit. So they\'re all on that website. So there\'s, there\'s about five free meditations and the heart breathing it but if you were to pick one, I would say take on the heart breathing exercise for a month and start there because that\'s the muscle. It\'s like if you only ever did bicep curls, right? If you\'re into fitness, hi used to be a personal trainer. But you know, like, it\'s like, that\'s what we\'re always doing is our mind, our mind our mind. But you got to start working that muscle that doesn\'t get enough attention. Yeah, so it\'s like, definitely start there. I am writing a book right now. So that\'ll be coming out. So once you join teachable, you will get access to being on my list. So then you\'ll know when the book comes out as well.

Brandon Handley 38:05
Awesome. You mentioned, like I said, check out another podcast and you\'d mentioned something that I really liked about journaling, like journaling is what is not necessarily just writing down stuff, it is what

Jenna Smith 38:18
it\'s a technology. So it\'s a it\'s an integration technology of merging your mind slowing it down, embodying it, it comes down through the heart space, your heart is connected to your hands energetically. And then as you\'re writing on paper, ideally, like computer typing isn\'t the same thing. As you\'re writing you\'re you\'re simultaneously being aware of and you\'re witnessing your experience. So you\'re getting all of these things all at once. And most people these days are like, Oh, I can\'t write as fast as my head. I can\'t you know, I can\'t write fast enough. I think it\'s hilarious. It\'s like, what do you think the problem? Like? What do you think the solution is? And they very rarely think to write slower. Just see what happens.

Brandon Handley 39:08
Right? Right. I know, I\'ve certainly gotten the feedback. Well, you know, if I write that much, my hand or arm is gonna hurt and like, well, I don\'t know, then maybe write less that day and work your way up to it or

Jenna Smith 39:18
whatever, right? It\'s just the noise of the mind. And so as you start to write in a non hairy, crazy way, that is showing you how your mind is right. You\'re you\'re bringing awareness to thoughts and you\'re bringing awareness to your experience of thoughts through the page. And then as you begin as you journal more and more, it\'s this relationship with yourself that you\'re cultivating. You know, do you have the page? And so it\'s not a Dear Diary, it\'s uh, you know, you can do a brain dump, which is just blah, My shoulder hurts. It was hard to sleep. And then oh, maybe I\'m grateful for this grateful for that. And then sometimes you could do a creation journal where Oh, you know, I\'d love to feel inspired today and then just have floated out, like, you have no idea how it\'s gonna happen. And I\'ve done this before, it\'s so neat, how creation will play with you, if you play with it. Like if you\'re I would love to experience I did one time, I\'d like to be delighted. Whatever something and I, I hold out this book and then there was a bookmark that said, so are you ready to be delighted today? And it was a Pottery Barn ad. But it was the exact words,

Brandon Handley 40:33
right? Well, it\'s, you know, to me, it\'s interesting. You know, I was going to ask you do you write down? Do you generally ask people or recommend that they write down some things that they might want? Oftentimes, right, we don\'t focus on what we want. We tend to just focus on the noise, right? Instead of cutting through it, and just saying, that\'s a bunch of noise. Here\'s actually what I, this is what I\'d like this to look like. And then when you\'re writing it down, you\'re becoming part of that creative process. I think years ago, I called it like, physically, like the cosmic record player of the universe, right? Like the pen being like the needle on the paper being, you know,

Jenna Smith 41:12
that\'s cool. That\'s a neat record, right?

Brandon Handley 41:15
And so, but then it shows up, because now you\'ve like, you\'ve given yourself permission to just see it once. Now you\'re gonna see it, like, again, I think we talked about in the beginning here, you just talked about seeing the evidence of these things that are showing up in your life. So awesome. No, I love I love that. Is there anything else you wanted to hit on? Before I flip this over to just one more section here?

Jenna Smith 41:40
Nope. Other than on my website, there are journal prompts, as well. Okay, so that\'s like, the brain dump start thing and then some prompts of like, creating and I actually can\'t remember them right now. But basically, holdings are very good, though. Helping Yeah, they\'re great. Like carry member one. But two prompts, because if you\'re new to journaling, you\'ll just be like, most people can\'t deal with this blank page to save their life. So confronting and you were so afraid of getting things wrong. But anyway, there\'s journal prompts, so but I love that record player. I just had a really cool visual when he said that.

Brandon Handley 42:20
So I mean, look, when it came to me, like as I was doing it, just that\'s just how I felt right? I\'ve got a tactile response of the paper to write. I\'ve got a favorite paper to like, I mean, I\'m just That\'s it gets to that point. You\'re like well, this is my favorite pet and I can\'t journal with it.

Jenna Smith 42:35
is true. Like the these like gel pens that

Unknown Speaker 42:40
that? Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 42:42
Yep, that and I\'ve got this my papers down there. But I\'ve got like this cotton press paper. That\'s all tactile and responsive. It\'s so great. Anyways. I\'ll share that with you after the fact. Okay. So I like to I like to I like to like in this podcast is kind of like a spiritual speed dating thing, right? Like, because people are gonna tune in and they\'re checking out like, hey, JENNA SMITH could be my next spiritual speed date. Like, I think, you know, studies also show out there that a lot of people just kind of go through like a 90 day cycle. Like, they\'re just like, hey, I\'m gonna tune into all things Jenna for like, 90 days. So somebody\'s gonna tune in, you feel like nowadays, spiritual speed dating. There\'s a question. I\'m gonna ask you a couple of questions you get for that.

Jenna Smith 43:27
Never Never done this on a podcast before I like it.

Brandon Handley 43:30
Alright, so spiritual Bachelorette number one. Describe God.

Jenna Smith 43:40
To me, God is the source of everything and always here, but also like your cool uncle that wants all the best for you. And you can just call them and be like, so this is what happened today. And it really sucked, or can you get me a pony? Because I\'d really like to have a pony. So I feel like it\'s not an ego thing. But it\'s this divine creator parent that intrinsically because you\'ve been created wants you to be your fullest expression.

Brandon Handley 44:15
Like, who wouldn\'t want that for their child? Right? Like if I\'m if listen, if I\'m taking a one in 400, Chilean shot, ascended jennasmith down to this dinky planet, or I\'m not sending her that I have a shitty experience as a parent, right? Yeah. That\'s just my take as a parent, and you know, if you put it into the context that you\'re putting in, like, what are we also afraid of? Right? Like, you talked a little bit about like, even just getting to this prompt like getting to a journal and be like, I don\'t know what I was supposed to write. Right and like being afraid of writing the wrong thing. What are we what are we also afraid to

Jenna Smith 44:53
do that we\'re not enough? We\'re so afraid that we\'ll get it wrong. We\'re not enough and were worthless, like the worthless

Unknown Speaker 45:04
virus

Jenna Smith 45:06
is just the worst. It\'s just the worst. It\'s like it\'s couldn\'t be further from the truth of who we really are. I had it too, I call it toxic shame. But feeling worthless is the antithesis of who you really are. And the it feels so terrible that you also don\'t share it with anybody. So it stays hidden and Off, off we go in this pain loop. But it\'s just not true. It\'s the feeling of worthlessness is so terrible, because it\'s not true. It is my belief.

Brandon Handley 45:37
Get it? You know, just not even being worthy of something decent to write down that somebody would want to read type of thing?

Jenna Smith 45:45
Well, you get it wrong. Like if you\'re wrong. You\'re wrong. Not you\'re not you\'re you don\'t have a journal yet, or this is new.

Brandon Handley 45:52
Listen, I think that even sometimes my own gratitudes are wrong. I\'m like, well, that doesn\'t I\'m not sure if that was the right gratitude for today. Am I doing this right? I get it, I get it. And I also think that in conjunction with that, that\'s one of the things that people are afraid to make decisions, right. There\'s like the paralysis of what if I make the wrong choice? What do I make that what? Good? Well, no,

Jenna Smith 46:17
I was, it made me think, you know, we also our children, we don\'t stop having an innocent, vulnerable self when we\'re 19 and then figure out what job we should have and who should we should marry and started like, it\'s so stupid. We\'re always vulnerable. And so this acceptance of our vulnerable self will also help with that too. And like,

Unknown Speaker 46:38
Ooh, I\'m scared of this, but it\'s okay. It\'s okay.

Brandon Handley 46:43
To love that, to me, I\'m definitely working through sounds sounds like you know, inner child work. What was the shamanism version of that?

Jenna Smith 46:53
Oh, soul retrieval,

Brandon Handley 46:55
soul retrieval and Shadow Work could all kind of be

Jenna Smith 47:00
like, it\'s just basically saying like, Hey, it\'s okay to be like I call it being humaneness and beingness. The humaneness realm is the inner child and the shadow and the ego and the relationships and I would never be like Hitler.

Brandon Handley 47:16
Speed balls, cocaine and heroin. You never know. Right? So yeah,

Jenna Smith 47:21
the just the humaneness has its own thing. And then the Beingness has its own thing. And we\'re both Right, right.

Brandon Handley 47:26
Which is super awesome. having you on here today. Love that. There\'s lots of free material that can help others along their journey. Where should we send people to to connect with you?

Jenna Smith 47:38
Definitely. JENNA SMITH coaching.com. And I\'m on Instagram, at Adventures in Jenna land.

Brandon Handley 47:47
All right, awesome, awesome people that are

Intro Guy 47:50
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