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Intro Guy 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you've questioned so much more than those around you. You've even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general, you're so limited?

Brandon Handley 0:12
John Johnson, also known as the natural medium, that's his site. He's been on a pathway of the discovery of his own spiritual and personal awareness for many years. Tutoring is John's greatest passion, to work to support the expression and understanding of ourselves and to discover our own truth. John is also the tutor at the world famous Arthur Findlay College in London and has an the qualified spiritual healer. self development has always been a passion for John and he continues to use this in his teaching philosophies today. John, how you doing? Thanks for joining today.

John Johnson 0:47
Very well. Lovely to be with you and speak with you. So the converter?

Brandon Handley 0:51
Yeah, fantastic. So you and I connected through a mutual friend of ours, Deb Levine. And you know, she she's speaks to all of you loves you to death you and I connected not too long ago had a really nice conversation. And, and you came back anyways. Right? So one of the ways I like to start this off with John, is that you and I, we're vessels for spiritual energy, right? Creative, universal energy, call it whatever you'd like. There is a message that's coming through you that's going to reach one of our listeners today that can only be delivered through you in this way. What does that message today, John?

John Johnson 1:32
Well, no pressure on that one. I think one of the I think one of the big things about life is to make sure that we live truth and truly to ourself to do the things that feel right for us. That might not be right for everybody else. We're very, very, I suppose very hard on yourself, giving yourself the space to live truly to who and what we are. Because we always want to please other people and make sure a lot of people were happy or show that we're progressing. We're not standing still. So I think for me, that would be really trying to encourage anybody and everybody and also when I speak to other people, I always talk to myself, as to encourage, stay in your truth. Do the things that are right for you. Even if you're not really sure. Keep gon going. I think it's a really important thing to keep on going.

Brandon Handley 2:25
100% You know, it's funny, I just I just got done making a post to read. Got to know if you've ever watched Mrs. Maisel. Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Really great series on Amazon. And the finale. Just talks a little, a little bit about what you're saying there. Right. She's, Mrs. Mays was kind of hiding behind like these self imposed limitations, right, saying, Yes, I want this thing. But only if it happens in this way that I've got outlined for me, right. Which in this series is keeping her from her truth? Right? Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about like, well, you know, what, how you work with your clients and keeping them aligned with their truth and bypassing some of their self imposed limitations?

John Johnson 3:13
Yeah, I think I mean, the thing about human nature, I'm a big interest in the psychology of people. So why do we do what we do? Why do we not do the things blah, blah, blah. So for me to really start to understand people is to understand myself. So that's the start point, I need to understand John, and what he is and how he is before trying to help anybody else. So I think one of the things about human nature and us as individuals is that we love to have comfort and safety. So we always look for comfort, and we always want to have safety. But we also love familiarity. So if it's unfamiliar, we'd rather walk the same pathway, do the same thing that's painful, rather than try something that might be less painful, but the fear of doing something less painful, is more fearful. So what we end up keep back to the familiar again. So for me, one of the things about the development of the person, which is where the emphasis really lies, as first of all to find out where they really are, and their truth, as opposed to where they think, or what the wants the people around them to think is the truth. I mean, we all have the, it's called the masks of life. You know, we have the masks we put on to go to work, we've got the mask for the friends, we'll get the mask or the relation. And it's really about trying to take all those masks away. Because the question is always what is it you're so afraid of? You know, what, what is the fear? What is it that you think is so bad? There's going to be so wrong. There's going to be so disruptive for you just to be you. And it's amazing the stuff that we all have individually in our minds. What we're brought up to think about ourself, what we think our parents or peers expect of Is the demands of what makes you what makes you successful in the world? What kind of person do you have to be to have a good relationship a good job. There's so many, there's so much stuff that's put into us and programmed into us, that doesn't necessarily match who we are and what we are. And for me, it's about, it's like deciphering what's true and what's not true. And the hardest thing is that when you challenge people's realities, they start to recognize that that's not their reality, which is a really scary thing to happen. Because when you wake up to your actual reality, it's a very scary place to be because all the all the little bubbles start to pop around you because you thought you're that, in fact, you're told no, you're not. You thought this was important. But it turns out that it wasn't overly important. And you start to recognize the limitations that we've created for ourself. And, of course, we always want to blame other people and blame circumstances. But there's a great philosophy, which is that you know, that trauma and difficulties happen to everybody. But what we focus on is what happens to us rather than how we react to what happened to us. So, if something if somebody was a difficult parent, or we had somebody very dominant, then that was the trauma. But how do we react to that trauma? Do we make ourselves very small? And do we live our life walking on eggshells? Or do we actually stand up and recognize why this was happening? And my reaction was to make myself small. So then I can wake up to the reality and say, Well, I'm actually not smart, which means I don't need to hate, which means we'll actually I don't know what I want to do myself, because I've always been hating. So it sort of cracks open that shell of what we think we are into the reality of who we are, which is why a lot of times people don't necessarily respectfully, don't always do the work. Because it's the hard way. The easy way is just to hate within the clouds and the fluff of spirituality. And that the hard way is to sit back, sit down and really go into the depths of your own soul, and really look deeply at yourself and recognize the truth of what you are. And then the question is, obviously, what is truth? So it just keeps on coming? You know, it's like a snowball.

Brandon Handley 7:28
Yeah, no, no, definitely, definitely a lot in there. Right? I think that, you know, a line we use over here in the state side anyways, you know, and you may use it over, there's like, the devil, the devil, you know, is right, better than the one that you don't? Right, and so, so, so, and it really sounds like, you know, a lot of what you're talking about, too, is that people, you know, they have these stories built up, and like you're talking about once you kind of, you know, pop this bubble, or I think another analogy I've heard is House of Cards, right? You pull one of those cards out the whole thing tumbles down. And then the left, I gotta imagine reevaluating their story, right or the left, as you talked about, like, seeing all the masks in front of them versus on them, right, seeing for a moment that they've got all these masks in front of them, in terms of kind of helping people to challenge their reality. And John would jump right into this right. In terms of helping people, you know, challenge their reality, what are some tools? What are some ways that you like to help to do that?

John Johnson 8:40
I think one of the first things that I always do, I always want to, like, speak to the person get get a kind of feeling about where they are with themselves, because of some of these very, let's say somebody's very self destructive and very self critical. If you're going to challenge the reality very quickly, you know, you can, you can just push them over the edge of themself. So the first thing is always to be very conscious of where they are, and be very careful of how far down the rabbit hole you want to go before really trying to do the proper work. So for me, there's very simple practices, like you mentioned, there would have been earlier, when I remember even with Deb and people like that, there was a so there's such purity within them, they have this need to help and want people. And sometimes the thing that's getting in the Wii is never the ability of what they are, it's the person. So when you start to forget about the ability, somebody wants to be a doctor or nurse, a therapist, an intuitive worker, an energy worker, any of these kind of things. It's there for everybody because that's it's it's not even negotiable with its there the potential lies within the presence of the power, but as the person able to to release themselves as that person able to surrender to who they are. That's that's the struggle. Because the wonderful thing I have a phrase or seeing, which is, you know that when you develop the person, you will unlock the potential of the person. And what we do in today is that we try to give people tools to make them into something hoping that will get them to come to themself. But the actual process is the opposite. So I do and people come to me and say, I want to learn to do mediumship, or I want to learn to be more intuitive. The first thing I asked them was way.

And then they say, well, because, yeah, well, and they don't have an answer. Exactly. Always, because they haven't thought about why they want to do it. They're just busy trying to get somewhere, which is normal for I mean, a huge percentage of his portfolio did the same thing when I started. But then the question is, okay, so why do you want to do? Well, because I'm sensitive. And then I challenge, I'm sensitive and say, Okay, well show me somebody on the planet who's not sensitive. So that answer doesn't work. So what's the reason you want to do it? So what happens is you charge to challenge their belief, because belief is the foundation of the whole thing is truth. But the truth lies on the foundation of belief. Because if you come from a certain belief system in us install a belief in yourself in a certain way, as soon as you recognize belief is the one thing that you can't take off anybody. You can take everything off somebody, but you can't take the belief is something that's deeper than the essence of who they are. So to challenge the reality is to challenge the belief. So then I give them exercises and ask them questions like, so what would be the purpose of that? What would be the purpose of this? And when they gave me the purpose, they might say, well, I want to be rid of energy. And I want to work intuitively. And that's why and I say, but what do you want to do with it? Well, I want to be able to look into the future, and I want to be able to make predictions. And then I say, Okay, so tell me, why is that so important for you to do that. And what it means is they're having to dig deeper into the answers of the questions they don't want to ask themself. So it keeps it almost like you're, you're forcing them into the, into the space of the self to actually find out. And sometimes the answer comes where, well, I'm actually afraid of my own life, which is why I want to know what's happening. And it's like, well, is that the right reason to develop this then? So I'm not somebody who just yeah, I'm very good. There may be so I'm very, some very precise and critical in many ways towards my myself. But I am not somebody who wants to help people become the magician, or other I'm not interested in people becoming the showman if they are the showman, because that's what their ability presents, that's what they will become. But most people with integrity, have a self, like a self healing process where they just come home. And when they come home, what they felt they wanted to do might not be actually what they actually do. And I think that's the big difference when you awaken and ask the question. They actually feel I want to be an intuitive, I want to be this, I want to be that. But when they go through the whole process of development, at the end of it, they might say, I actually want to be a Chinese want to work in Chinese medicine, or I want to be a mature and you go great, perfect, I'm really happy for you. Because we don't need to have 300 million mediums on the planet. You know, it's not needed. We need good people who do the job, that rate for their soul with the express what's right for them. And the way that's right for them. That brings us back into the naturalness, the truth, and also the belief system. So it keeps challenging by asking certain questions, to try and get them into that space of what is the reality of belief. Because I think if you have the reality of your own belief, and you're honest about it, that opens opens all the doors for you. And then ability presents itself.

Brandon Handley 14:07
Now, all of that, right? So, you know, if we if we started off, right, it's really just a matter of I think he even said at the beginning, where are they? You know, in this journey? Where are they in this journey to find out the truth of who they are? And, and, you know, like, you're saying, we can all we can all do? I don't know, I don't know if listen, I think we all have the capability like a saint, do any of it, be a doctor, be a lawyer, do whatever you want to do. But the real question is, why do you want to do that? Right? And I love the lines, that potential lies within the presence of the power right? And being able to surrender to who they actually are right within them. Asking those deeper questions that we're just not asking those questions, right. It's like, oh, well, nothing wrong, like so you know, I had an interaction with this thing and that person I want to go to Do that. Okay. Why? Yeah. Why? Right? Why? Why? You know? And if they don't answer that question immediately, and this is what I found for myself, Johnny, and this, probably what you've seen too is like, you know, they go and they go, and they do the thing. And they realize that that's not for them. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, but it could and it sounds like your journey, right? LED you like, hey, I want to go to the same note leads me over here. Leads me over here. Leads me over here. And I want to like, you know, the idea of, hey, I don't want to work with somebody that's just doing this. From like, a magician and showmanship state, right? Did I capture that correctly? Like, you know, you want somebody that people that you'd like to work with, or you know, really getting deep, this this coming home thing, when you're talking about coming home, you don't mean coming home to get their, their their tea? On the counter, you're talking about coming home to this the truth of who they are, right. And I can't remember whether or not I think when we had this conversation before, and when I first started on my journey, a big piece of it. John was like, just beginning, you know where you are. Right? Begin where you are, start with that thing that you think you want to do. And I felt empowered, right? Like, the liberated, right, this expressing the truth of who I was, I had no idea what exactly it was, I was expressing. But I was feeling a greatness. And when I say a greatness, I'm not talking about like, I'm number one, I felt filled with something. Right. And I would go ask other people out, so what's it like for you to step into your greatness? And they would like, Whoa, there's nothing great about me. And I think that what you're trying to show these people, there's something great about everybody. Yep. Right. So so, you know, when when when they start doing this journey, John, when they start recognize they start doing a self healing and expressing the truth of who they are? What are some of the, what is some of that look like? I'm trying to, you know, because I guess what I would say, is that part of the awakening process? I'm not sure if that's what you would say to like, what are some of the symptoms as a turret? Terrible word for symptoms? Like, what are some of the signs that, that they're totally holding themselves? Or what are some of you know, people say, John, I'm feeling like this and your and your responses, like, oh, okay, you're on the path, you you've clicked the next click in the ratchet or whatever.

John Johnson 17:31
Yeah, I think one of the things about development when you, I think the moment of waking up to who you really are, is this, as I said earlier, it's a scary part to bust all those reality bubbles, you wake up from who you think you are, to who you actually are. And the thing about it is, it's really, it's quite a scary transition for many people. But at the same time, if you can embrace the change, will you start to recognize that one of the things that's very human and as that we carry so much baggage, of emotions, demands expectation, main chatter the monkey brain, when you actually notice how much energy that costs you to live in a way that's not right for you, but you keep doing it anyway, when you start to notice that you have more energy all of a sudden, because you've made small changes in your thinking or small changes in your actions, or you start to respect yourself a little bit more than you notice, all of a sudden, you have more time, you have more energy, then you're already showing that you're starting to wake up to the truth and reality of what you actually need in your life as opposed to what you have been doing. The one that will always is really hard. There's the thing about the challenge of this kind of wakening up to yourself spiritually, it also means that the creation of what you have around you always starts to flip and change, which is the scary part. So when, for example, I remember when I started to be true to my own self, and started to really feel and do the things that felt right with me, I started to have problems in relationships, friends, because I wasn't being what they always wanted me to be. And I started to go women, this is your problem between you and them. So you deal with it. And I was always the person, man, okay, you know, again, and try and find an answer and solution and shine. And because I said, Wait a minute, that's not my job, you've created the problem between each other. So suck it up, and go and solve it. And I'm just gonna stand here as you need me, I'll be here. But this is not my this is not my battle. And what you find there's those people then call you selfish. Because you're selfish because you don't care because and what's happening in the cycle in a psychological sense is that you're owning your own power. You're starting to do what feels right for you. But they are now having to take responsibilities that they never took before because you always took their responsibility. So you would solve that problem, which means they never had to deal with it. And all of a sudden, you see new suck up, not my problem. And you're the bad one. Because now they need to think for themselves. No, they need to start to do that. So one of the big things for me, when I see people that start to kind of wake up to the space is that they start to notice that there's almost like the war drum starts to rumble around the family in the ruins relationships. And it's like, I thought that was a good friend of mine. But actually, when I see the way they treat me in what they do, I'm not sure they actually aren't a good friend is what I thought they were. And that person over there who I never thought was a good friend is actually more honest and truthful with me than anybody else. So your reality snaps and changes that you start to notice the reality of who you are. And then you know, you're starting to be in the right space, because then you're living truthfully to what's true and important for you. And you're no longer pleasing, satisfying, or taking on responsibilities that were not yours to start with. So I think that's a really big sign to look for. When you notice that the world starts blaming you for being selfish, you're probably doing something right.

Brandon Handley 21:09
Well, you're right. And I totally agree. Only because I agree. And I've seen it happen for me anyways, especially especially in the struggle in the beginning, right, where you draw on this journey. And this is kind of that line, what you know, what are the things that are no longer serving you? Right? Yep. And my experience was that those things dropped away on their own, like effortlessly, right? Drinking, for example. It was like, Oh, I don't this please. Like, there's no, no reason for me to keep doing this. As a matter of fact, if I keep doing this, it's like, you know, there's all those No, good, that's coming of it. And then when I stopped drinking, like, here's all the people that stopped wanting to hang out, right? Like, why why? Why did you quit drinking? I was like, Well, why don't you? Why would I need to explain myself? That doesn't even make any sense. Right? Because and because other people are curious, because they want to do it to write but they can't, they haven't gotten to this space. And then and then this other area that you're talking about, like, I'm not going to do this for you anymore. Because you really need to be able to do that on your own or like, you know, I have, my life is valuable, too. So I'm going to actually be responsible for mine, you'd be responsible for years, right? And being called selfish, or, you know, spending too much time on yourself type of thing like, well, I don't know. And, John, I think it's very important to do things for others and give and be of service. Yeah. But one of the people that you're here to be of service to more than anybody else in the world is is you

John Johnson 22:52
can't serve and look after yourself, then you're only you're only going to sacrifice, sacrifice your own self to help everybody else be happy. And the thing about that is that when you create the pattern of I'm going to make this person happy, so I can be happy. That never works. Because they end up becoming so happy that they got on relief and achieve and you're sitting back going, Oh, what about me. And you see this person a lot in relationships with people. So they meet somebody, and they want to be put on the happy go lucky, I'm crazy. I can sing. I love karaoke, I like to have a good drink. And they want to be something to be impressed to be liked. And after a few months, when they start to calm down and relationship starts to become a bit more normal. They go, I don't really feel like going out and drinking. I'm not really all that bothered. And the person who they've just met says, Yeah, but when I met you, you are crazy and wild. And you did this. And they go, yeah. And honestly, the answer is, but that wasn't me, I was trying to make you like me or impress you or so it's a very, very difficult thing. But that goes through like the wheel and the pattern, where every time they meet somebody, they've got to impress them to be liked. And then when they become themself, which is maybe more passive or introvert or quiet, or they're maybe just normal, whatever normal is, then the person they're with, they get bored because they don't see the interaction that they attracted to them to begin with. And the person who does it to the other person ends up on their own again, and they never understand my people leave me because, you know, help that person to come stronger. I help them to become more confident I help them to be successful. And when they where they left me, it's like, okay, so why would you help them so much to do something they needed to do themselves? And it's okay to say to help other people, but that's that's what we're here for. There's a human kind of human nature, we're here to help and support each other. But there also has to be some teams doing nothing, as the support has not always do something. Like don't always have the answer because sometimes the person needs to come with the answer, because if you always give the answer then they're not doing the work for it. So you're Trying to get the balance between being of service and being there. But also respect your own self, give the space for other people's growth, but give yourself the space for your own growth. And hopefully you meet in the middle somewhere. And I think that's the hardest thing for is to have that balance

Brandon Handley 25:16
100% spent, you know, especially in kind of any relationship, right, you can see the you can and here's the other thing on that, too, John, like you're talking about? If we come with an answer, we call it an answer to the question from our own perspective, and when the person that we're trying to help is able to come up with with their own answer, from their own perspective, chances are, it's actually going to be a different answer than than we would have given. But it solves the same problem, right? And it's also that much more effective for that person, because they're like, oh, wow, I can answer this stuff on my own. I don't need you to be answering my stuff for me. And, and a lot of times, I think, just when you're asking these people, these next level questions, so like, oh, wow, thank you for asking me these questions and challenging me a little bit and making me dig a little deeper to realize that they actually have the resources that they already need within them to move forward. Yeah, I

John Johnson 26:19
think the thing is, when when some of the things that don't answer, they're going to trust and believe in that answer, because it was their own. And even with me, when I do any teaching or workshops, I actually tell the people who come on courses, and I'm going to ask you more questions than you asked me. And normally, it's always the teacher is the one who tells the answers and tells of the who is going to be. But I do the opposite. Because if somebody says to me, Well, I have a problem with us. What do you think then I say, Well, what do you think? And they go by? I don't know, I'm asking you. And I go, Yeah, but I want you to come and tell me what's happening rather than me just I can give you an answer every day. But it doesn't mean it's the right answer. I want you to come and tell me what you discovered. And then I'll give you something because the developments always about FAA choose to do it myself. And this is again, a really important thing with a lot of the work that I do. When somebody has success in some of the lands on the money, the just to do something that's so important, so powerful, such a transformation. I want them to wake up and recognize the that the work. Other one waking up and saying, Oh, John, thanks so much, because you helped me that I want them to give themselves the credit for the work that they did. Because they found the answer, though, I may have been an instigator to shove them and put them in the eye to get them where they want to go. But they're the ones that can wake up and say to their friends and family, I made this choice. And I am happy because I feel happier now than I've ever done. Rather than saying, I made this choice, because John told me it'd be good for me. And it worked out well. Because it's not, it's not about that. It's about encouraging you to find that truth of you by asking you the questions you don't want to. And then when you get the answer, and it works for you, you can be proud of yourself. And if you get the answer that doesn't work for you, then you have to take responsibility, that that doesn't work. But what did you learn from it? What can you do the next day, because we have this tradition within spirituality, especially if you're doing some sort of leadership bar. That, you know, we're meant to have all the answers. And I mean, I've got hard enough time living my own life without trying to lead anybody else's life. So we've got to be able to see the two sides of it, you can't be the hero for everybody, without also been the developer. So if you're going to be somebody who's going to tell people how to live their life, and it goes great, and they get praise, you've also got to take the problem, when it doesn't go well. You can't have only the praise and just have the other stuff. So that's why the, for me, the best thing is always when you have advice from anybody, as they should not be telling you how to live your life and what to do. They should be encouraging you to look at opportunities, but ultimately you decide what happens because you live and die by the sword. And that's so lifers. And that for me is so important because today we have everywhere in the world. But today there's more about thinking you have an insight into something or because you're even with your own development. I mean, you've done a lot of work with your own self. So people may have this trust in you that you might have an answer that goes beyond their perception. But at the same time, if it goes beyond their perception, they're not going to get it anyway. So they might as well answer their own question and come to the truth where they are. And not because we're bigger than each other. It's just because we have different pathways of understandings. So I would rather somebody wakes up and says, This is my understanding. This tool is right for me and I can see Wow, well done. Congratulations. You know you did so well be proud of yourself. Rather than I get the praise when in fact that's not my life to be praised. That's they need to have that period of of themselves. And that love of themselves, and really be in contact with that spark of divinity, to recognize the power, the power that created it. And the power that creates has the power to heal. The power that creates has the power to move. It's all there. We just got to tap in and believe in it. So I think it's a really important thing that people get the get the answers themselves with encouragement, the end of the day, their answers the most powerful answer. Yep.

Brandon Handley 30:24
Yeah, no. Right. And I think the, the, the line that I use on that most of the time is, you're both the gift and the giver, right? And you give that gift to yourself, and you're able to give it a and it just kind of replenishes itself. Right. And to your point, right, certainly been in position where people may think that I have an answer for their question or their quandary. But I got to tell them, No, I, this isn't a This isn't my area of expertise, right? I don't know what it is that you're looking at, here's what it seems like to me. You know, I'm happy to point you in like a direction that I might go in and seek an answer for yourself. Right. And, and that's been very effective. And they come back supercharged, they come back very excited. This is what I found it oh my god, this is my experience. So helping people to empower themselves sounds like you kind of like what's your what's your about? Now, John? John, I think one of the things we didn't really even dig into much, you know, we talk a little bit about your background, you you're a tutor, your tutor of what

John Johnson 31:30
I call it, the the intuitive arts. I, when I started it was always called, you know, you call yourself a medium and blah, blah, blah. But for me, it's just too narrow. To be called a medium. If you look up the word medium, now actually says it's that's the medium between two things. So I actually talk more about the intuitive arts. So for me, it's a lot about everybody has an intuitive art, whether you draw paint, sing, dance, you know, rate speak, there's something intuitive about the art of your expression, then for me, the expression of communication and self development is that intuitive art, you learn to be in contact with the intuitive power, you learn to trust yourself, which is the thing that everybody wants is to trust themselves and believe in themselves. And, for me, it's about trying to knock through all the stuff that stops us getting in contact with that intuitive ability. So that's why it becomes an art of intuition. It's an art of expression, rather than it's something you need to become a master of, and you need to have a job and you have to become because you're sensitive you need to accompany. It's not that journey. If that's the journey for you, then that's what it will become. But the journey is really the intuitive arcs of unfolding this intuitive ability that, again, we don't, we don't give ourselves the credit of how intelligent we are within the soul. Very simply, we're born into the world, we have this sense of awareness. And by the time we get to the age of 567, we're taught to think and analyze, and that purity of who we are, it's still there, we've just lost contact with it. So when we get older, and hopefully a little bit wiser, then we start to give ourselves permission to tap back into that intuitive gift that's already there. And that's why even I don't even like like the word gifts, because it's not actually a gift. It's it's sort of part of the package. It's like, it's like buying a computer without a hard drive. You know, it doesn't happen you buy a computer, the hard drive that comes with a hard drive, because that's what the computer needs. So for me, the ability of awareness is already packaged within the souls experience. And you're just trying to get back in touch with that intuitive art. So that's why for me, I'd rather see tutor of intuitive arts or tutor of self development, discovery, intuitive arts, that kind of areas more with, I think, my interests mostly lace. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 33:52
Awesome. And so when somebody comes to for kind of expression of these arts, and, you know, it sounds like you're almost willing to let them go, if you realize it's not a fit to write, he was like, hey, you know, let's, let's, let's why you want to be here. So who do you feel is like the best fit for what you have to offer?

John Johnson 34:18
I don't think there is a Pacific that, for me, there's no specific thing or checklist because it's purely if somebody feels drawn to a weekend to trust themselves, or they have experiences of unawareness, which they're not sure real, they want to trust or energetically wise. All we're actually doing is we're giving ourselves permission to find out what we can find out about it. Very often we hear stories, as I said about some of these supercenter sensitive and oversensitive. Well, I don't believe in oversensitive people. I believe in people who are very sensitive who are not in control of their sensitivity. They don't understand that which is why they We come oversensitive or you cry all the time, and you get affected by everything. And you know, you're, it's only because we're not in control of what they're aware of. It's not because they're more sensitive than anybody else. And then you have other people on the spectrum who are like the sensitivity of a piece of woods, who want to have more sensitivity. And it's like, well, you know that you are sensitive, you're not allowing yourself so what are you afraid of? What's the what is it? You're not allowing yourself to be vulnerable to with yourself? What is it you're afraid? What do you think's going to happen? So it's, there's no, there's no, there's no right or wrong. And it's also what I teach. When I say to people, I don't really have we need to categorize people with beginners, intermediate and advanced, have levels of experience. But at the same time, we can have somebody with no experience who can actually trust themselves and do more of a better experience than somebody who has lots of experience. Because sometimes Knowledge is power. But some things knowledge destroys the naturalness. So there's no real. But again, it's just, I think it's just one of those areas where if you feel drawn to discover, then just be open to see what's there. And then it will actually draw you forward. And its own way that way that needs to be for yourself. So there's no right and wrong, there's no good or bad, nobody's better than anybody else. Nobody can and nobody can, it's really just allowing yourself to be honest. And just find out what you can find out from yourself about yourself, that that will actually unleash the intuitive ability.

Brandon Handley 36:32
I love that have the idea to write have, you know, do you not overly sensitive, everybody's pretty much got the same amount of sensitivities, it's how you respond to those sensitivities. And where would you like to be alone that or if you're okay, crying all the time, be okay to cry all the time. Like, that's a great release anyways, you know, but, but realize that that is your choice, right? And realize that if you want to, you know, kind of come along somewhere in that and same way, vice versa. Right, I would say a more along the vice versa, side of, you know, not feeling right, but also understanding that, like, you know, I, I have the capacity and capability to feel in a greater sense. What am I afraid of? I don't know, I'm not doing that with you today, though. The, the the other piece to that you'd mentioned is and I think this is really powerful. And it's the idea that a beginner can actually, in the beginning, have more success, quote, unquote, success in an endeavor than somebody who's had the experience, primarily because they haven't. They don't know what the theoretical limitations are. Absolutely. Right. They don't know what they don't know. Well, you know, last time I did this, or my previous experiences are the people that I work with have influenced these experiences. And so I believe that these, these are the ceilings, these are the thresholds. And so I guess that that also points to the idea of always trying to have a beginner's mind. Yeah,

John Johnson 38:18
I mean, the thing is, there's no limitations, no boundaries, other than the ones we create. And the thing about it is that this is why for me, I always have this, this feeling of responsibility, because of what I do is that I know, for a fact, that whatever I do with somebody who is very fresh, very new, very much the I don't believe in a beginner, but somebody who we put unquote, beginner, what I tell them and what I advise them, and what I tried to help and support them to do will become the foundation of what they do for the rest of your life, pretty much. So when somebody has a foundation, which is I'm very down to earth, but there will things so when when somebody has a foundation, which is like bells and fluffy clouds and purple things and unicorns and these lovely things, if it's that's the foundation, where there's no there's no essence of life and strengthen it, as they develop after 234 years, and they try to get more deeper in contact with what they're doing. They have to actually break all those habits to try and learn the truth of the truth of the habit. So, if that's why I've said so many times that the teacher or the influencer has so much responsibility, because what I tell you or what I influence you to discover, will become the foundation of what you do. So that's why as somebody who's new, there a clean slate, they don't know anything. And when I teach normally people sometimes they call me the unknown teacher. Because I don't actually tell them how to do things. I try and encourage them to undo things because when You undo it, and you actually allow the natural expression, nobody needs to teach you. Something just has to keep you within reality of what your sensitivity is trying to do. And that will naturally move. My job is to match the movement of them. It's not me to tell them to do what I do, because then I'm making a clone of myself. So it's very much about the person who's new. They're so easily influenced because they believe you because you are the teacher, the instructor, and I often challenge them and say, okay, so what would be the simplest way to do this? And they say, Well, I don't know, I need to open a door, and you need to meditate for half an hour and a half to put on a blue light. And after we had a crystal and have to do nicely, okay, so let's start. And they do it. Or they do something and I see, well, you never put a crystal on, you never made the seasons, and you never, you never put a light on and lay down for half an hour. But you did it. So what does that tell you? And then you see them going, oh, man, yes, all that stuff I think I need to do, I don't actually need to do but that scares me. Because I like the safety and the comfort of doing it. Yeah, but you don't have to do it. You've just proven yourself, you've done. So now is your choice. Do you want to do that? Or do you want to just go with what happened? Because that was natural for you to do. So the challenge is constantly trying to not teach them anything, but give them the space to grow and learn. So it's, it's an interesting journey.

Brandon Handley 41:23
No doubt, no doubt. And you know, sounds, I understand that you're, you're very good at what you do. Right. So, you know, Donna, Deb again, you know, refers to you and regard you very highly. And so super excited that we got the connection here. You said two to four years in the beginning there, John, you mean, I can't do this in eight weeks?

John Johnson 41:49
Well, depends how much money you have. It's, it's most people, when we're really really genuinely honest about the process of development unfoldment, trusting that which is insane as most people that again, depends on on how they're taught to do it. Some people will maybe do four or five, six years before they really start to get into that space. Now, it's a very simple reason. Because from your age of 4567 years old, up until whatever age you are today, so let's say you're 4045, you've been thinking and analyzing for 38 years. And for you to drop the analytical mind, but still use it for you to drop your knowledge but still rely on and for you to get in contact with the space that you've you've tried to shove away and ignore, it's not going to happen in one year when you've been ignoring it for 39. So it's just a time of awakening. And some people go faster than others. Some people are very much in contact, but they just need to understand that more. So varies for many different people. But I mean, even for me, I didn't do anything in any professional capacity for the first six years or so. And I was training really, really hard and regular. But I never felt it was granted to do something for somebody else when I wasn't fully comfortable doing it for my own self. So

Brandon Handley 43:17
it makes a lot of sense. Right. And I would have to say that, you know, the parallels, and is in line with what I've seen so far, just in a nice conversations kind of what's that growth trajectory? And I'll bring it up and just say, you know, that it actually it takes real time, you know, the two to four months is, it's yes, it's real time, but in the context of personal, you know, personal development. Yeah, that's kind of like a blink of an eye. Right. And there's so much to what you're saying there's so much to kind of undo there's so much baggage that like, we're just not willing to let go of just yet. Right? Like, I'll leave this one behind job, but I'm carrying the rest for now. And, you know, I'm gonna keep the rest for the rest of next year. Maybe I'll drop two bags. Right? Yeah. I get it, I get it. So, John, I got I got a little section here that I like to call. It's kind of like spiritual speed dating. Right? Some ways to it in today's spiritual speed data, like you know is John is John for me. And so, spiritual Bachelor Number one, you know, we talked about fear a lot. And I think that we talked about, you know, who what, what would you say that we're all afraid of,

John Johnson 44:36
they're afraid of their own their own personal power. Not afraid of being too good. They're afraid of being everything they are. And the I think the biggest fear mostly when you really connect with people who really genuinely have the heart, the compassion, the love to serve and help other people. But a lot of the times the fears of themselves about said being too powerful being too good is trusting themselves too much because they're afraid their ego is going to come. They're afraid that people are going to, you know, they're going to become something like an animal in disguise. And I think that's, that's the biggest thing. And in combination with that is vulnerability. And vulnerability is seen as a negative thing. And the fear of being vulnerable is why we stopped being childish and be crazy and dance around. I mean, a senior, you've seen a little clip of you dancing around in the restaurant, and I was thinking, Yeah, go for it, Brendan have a good time. vulnerability, you're just expressing your craziness and your vulnerability, you're not thinking, you know. And vulnerability actually, is the biggest thing we can give ourselves, the biggest strength is actually to be vulnerable is to be beautiful. So this is a very powerful thing. So to be in your power, but be vulnerable to your own power. I think that's the biggest gap.

Brandon Handley 45:50
Yeah, definitely a paradox there. I think that, you know, until you experience it, or you go through it a couple of times, you're not going to understand it. And so definitely, definitely powerful. I agree. I agree with that. Who do? What is our greatest distraction?

John Johnson 46:10
I would say, well, the easy answer is the mind. I think our biggest distraction is the we give so much power to the mind. If we give ourselves the permission to be more aware, we wouldn't be so restricted. So I think that I think the mind is the biggest distraction. There's a wonderful quote, which I would love to tell you what it is exactly word for word, and who said it, but right now my brain freezes up. But it's along the lines of, we've created a society which honors the honors of the mind and forgets the soul. And you know, you know, the one I'm talking about, that is such a, such a true powerful thing that we give so much power to the mind. And the thing is, respectfully, the mind does stupid, the mind doesn't know what he's gonna do is waiting for impulse. So we're giving power to something that doesn't know the best for ourself. And then we the the main just flips us all the time, because we give power to something which is actually the passenger is not the driver. So for me, I think the biggest influence we have as our own natural mate, I would say. So

Brandon Handley 47:17
how do we avoid that distraction,

John Johnson 47:21
but a bucket of water is always a good place to start. Think it's again, I think it's about just being able to break away from the break away from the things that we think we are and the world we're in. I mean, even just taking little sabbaticals, taking a little time off, I mean, that these silent meditation retreat, silent retreats, just something that gives us a break from ourself, and from the environment that we live in and just pulling us away, give us a space just to reflect and just be, because then that space, hopefully we connect with a reality and our truth. And that hopefully will help us wake up that the hard thing is that, even like COVID, obviously, is a really good example where we all get stuck in a sort of teamwork. And we all make choices and decisions that say, I'm not going to go back and do that anymore. And that wasn't good for me. And now we've had the rest that recognize I was working too much. And slowly the water starts to turn, how many of us are going back into the old routine, and many of us are staying true to what we've discovered. So that's what I mean by the, the influence of what we think in demand, because it's what we think we need to do. I think I need to go and work 100 hours again a week. But we're proved that I don't have to do that. But I'm back doing it again, because my main thinks that's important. So I think that's a big kind of paradox.

Brandon Handley 48:41
Yeah, no, no, 100% I appreciate that. Well, John, thank you so much for being on and hanging out today. You know, if spiritual listener decides that you are the next spiritual date, where should they go and find out more about you?

John Johnson 48:56
And well, the easiest thing is there are very kind of basic website up to I'm not a big social media fan, although I am. I'm I'm trying to allow myself to become a little bit more accessible and available. So these this thing is the website, which is www dot shooter, John johnson.com. And Instagram, it's the natural medium. So the underscore natural underscore medium. So that's, that's probably the two places that I'm more actively aware that as I said, I'm Deb was one of the one of the people obviously contacted us. She's been at me for a long time to say, Come on, you have to tell people you need and I'm going, Oh, God, I don't want to tell people because it's not it's not my thing. I'm happy to do the work I do and I'm happy to do what I do. But I'm just throwing myself out there as Yeah, it's a bit awkward. My lack of vulnerability to that. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:51
there you go. There you go. You know, you're practicing what you preach. Making yourself uncomfortable. You know, leave leaving leave In the devil, you know,

John Johnson 50:01
yep. Keep on walking, you know, that's it. Keep going.

Brandon Handley 50:06
I got it. Well, John, thanks again so much for being on today.

John Johnson 50:09
Thanks for inviting me and it's been great talking to you, and wish you a lovely day and your listeners. I

Intro Guy 50:15
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