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Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you\'ve questioned so much more than those around you. You\'ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people intend

Brandon Handley 0:12
to one? Hey, their Spiritual Dope What\'s up I got a special guest on for you today it is Morgana Rae she is a 20 time international number one best selling author and mentor coach, as he\'s regarded to be the world\'s number one authority on relationship with money. Her groundbreaking approach to love centered wealth building has featured her on the Wall Street Journal, Yahoo Finance, all the major television networks coast to coast radio and hundreds more. We\'re gonna fans call her the money goddess, because of the many documented stories of clients manifesting unexpected income of hundreds 1000s 10s of 1000s, hundreds of 1000s even over a million dollars, within hours of changing their relationship with money, a pioneer in personal development for over 27 years, we\'re gonna write speakers and coaches from a desire to empower idealistic entrepreneurs, artists, healers, and humanitarians to have a big impact in the world and the heal the rift between heart, spirit and money. You know, so thank you so much for being on today. It\'s funny, because, you know, Wall Street Journal is great, right? Yahoo Finance all the major telecom and the one that of course, gets me I\'m like coast to coast. What? So, so awesome to have you on here today.

Morgana Rae 1:36
Thank you so much. Yeah, coast to coast was fun. And you get a lot of time, and it\'s in the middle of the night. So my husband\'s what was listening from home, because I have to do it on the landline and we don\'t have any landlines at home. And he says you are breathing really heavily during that interview, because I was just pacing the whole time to keep my energy up. But it was it was a great experience. It\'s I mean, Toshinori it\'s amazing.

Brandon Handley 2:07
So right, how is this, you know, legends in the field, and that you\'ve been with quite a few other legends as well. But that\'s the one that that\'s the one that jumped out at me and was super excited about that. So I usually like to start this off, we\'re going on with the whole idea that you and I, we are conduits for Source Energy, right? And there\'s somebody listening on the other end of this podcast today that needs a message that can only be delivered through you through source energy to them. What does that message today

Morgana Rae 2:40
the people that I speak to that I\'m speaking to right now, like, I\'m not interested in the sociopaths, so we\'re going to leave them out of the conversation. But spiritual people, the do gooders of the world, the artists, the innovators, the healers, the humanitarians, these are the people who have the most painful relationship with money. By the way, you know, very rich people have pain too. And I\'ve coached on the total extreme ends. But I\'m speaking really here to the spiritual do gooders who really just want to help. And that is such a different mindset and relationship with money than say, the entrepreneur who is happy as a clam, to make lots of money harming people. I was in a mastermind years ago real mix of people, but I felt very out of place. Because one of the speakers was going on and on about how owning shell companies allowed him to sell potentially defective helmets and potentially defective guns. But if he got sued, he was protected because he owned a shell company. And that\'s not what I want to bring into the world. That\'s not what I support. I felt really, really alienated by that. So that\'s that, oh, do this make money? Yeah, that\'s an equation, but that hurts. That hurts. For those of us who care and honestly, that mindset is threatening the very existence of human life, and a lot more on planet Earth, the whole like Exxon, hiding all its data about climate change. That by the way, is also not a healthy relationship with money if you are so scared of not making a certain number milestone that you\'re willing to risk life on earth that is not a place of abundance. So what I want and you You know, I tend to just channel as I speak, and I never ever, like script or plan what I\'m going to say, but I do know what I want to teach. And I want to today teach how to get love, and your highest values and your most divine self, and money playing on the same team as partners, not adversaries. So that\'s, that\'s what I want to focus on.

Brandon Handley 5:34
Now, I love that. And you\'re right. It\'s so it\'s funny. We\'ve gotten to a point now, I think, and you know, the money exchange being currency exchange being an energy exchange, where people can\'t even say the word money, right? Like I, I\'m literally, what I\'m doing today is working for money, bless you. And bless you. I think the third time is like you get a wish. Granted, it\'s the the CIO, is interesting for a minute, because people came to say, you know, I want to work for money says like, oh, well, you know, we\'re gonna, there\'s going to be an energy exchange, meaning there\'s going to be money exchanged, but like, not being comfortable enough to just say, I charge $5. Now, right? And so being able to get that to the point where you say, money is spiritual, and it\'s not necessarily just a material thing. So I sounds like that\'s kind of what we get to, or at least get them all on the same plane if it what\'s your approach there?

Morgana Rae 6:39
Well, money, I think really highlights or magnifies what\'s already there. And where I started kind of my origin story on this path of working with money as a pain door to spiritual growth and personal development, and also clients making a lot of money is that I had such shame and guilt about charging to help people, I really felt like I was taking their money and that was harming them. And that was a bad thing when I really was here to help. And lo and behold, I became really, really good at not making money like, like Olympic medal caliber ability to repel money from people who wanted to hire me. And at my lowest point, I was living in Los Angeles, one of the most expensive cities in the world, a million dollars will buy you a teardown. And I was making $100 a month with half a dozen coaching certifications, a bunch of celebrity clients, mountains of testimonials really, really dialed in marketing and the website and the brochure and the business cards and the tagline and l o ads, and the vision boards and the affirmations, and the local la healers who kind of wave their hands and change your money, DNA and all of it. None of it worked for me. None of it worked for me. I had to get to the secret reason that I was repelling money what was inside of me that was pushing it away intentionally, completely unconsciously. Consciously, I was going to those awful networking meetings and and getting more and more certifications and just taking more and more classes on sales and this and that. And I took a class on overcoming sales objections and I\'m like a super good students. So seven people let me get my fingers right seven people in a row. I overcame their objections, which means that they said I can\'t afford it, or I don\'t have time. But I really want to there are these like words that you say and I overcame their objections, and I kid you not. Those same seven people did not show up and did not pay. And I sitting here now, I actually don\'t believe in overcoming people\'s objections. So I believe in letting people make a decision for themselves. They know what is right for them better than I you know, it\'s not my decision to make what they can afford and what they can\'t afford. And I don\'t like manipulating people I actually tried to talk people out of hiring me and see if they jump over that and convince me then we have a client but that\'s, that\'s today. So back there. I hit a really just deep moment of despair. I you know, when I got that seven to no show, that was when I completely ran out of hope. Like I was doing all the metaphysical stuff. I was doing all the practical stuff, and I\'ve been doing it for a long time. And I want to make a point here that if you ever find yourself doing everything you\'re supposed to be doing, taking everybody\'s classes real Applying it doing everything you\'re told to do, and do this. And you do this nears, you keep doing everything you\'re supposed to be doing and you aren\'t getting the results that you desire and deserve. It is my opinion based on my own experience and coaching 1000s of clients that you are probably unconsciously protecting us yourself from what you\'re pursuing. And you\'re not crazy, you\'re not a failure, when we dig deep, you will find that you have really, really good reasons, good solid reasons to protect yourself. And we need to make what you want safe. It has to be safe. And it has to align with your values or you will always be like running into a brick wall. And just driving yourself crazy. But it\'s amazing how quickly and dramatically things change. When what you want become safe. By the way, I just, you know, listening to like, share my bio is always you know, kind of a meta experience to hear somebody, you know, describe you and I had a client a week ago, Friday call me up who went on my very intense spiritual tiny, one week money goddess retreat that I keep to like three to six, sometimes eight women, so that I can coach everybody individually really deeply. And I coached her in September. And she called me a week and a half ago to tell me that she made $1.2 million

between September and

Brandon Handley 11:44
that\'s women only, like that\'s how the guys can jump in. Yeah,

Morgana Rae 11:47
everything else I do has guys, that\'s just the one thing. But so that was like between the end of September and mid February. So I\'m not even going to count how many months I think it\'s like it\'s not many, a couple million dollars, not a lot. And by and she is a spiritual teacher. So it can be Hi, Mike, I have like a raw food coach multi seven figures, like I get really weird, brilliant people. Even even the like, even the sciency ones, the big the big data lady is also into magic. And there\'s a data analyst in Australia who talks to dead people. So that\'s that that\'s my crowd. Okay, so I\'m in this really dark, horrible place, just I don\'t even want to live anymore because it feel and I\'m rushing through this really quickly because I want to get to content and teaching. But when you know what you\'re here to do, finally, right, and you have this gift, especially if you\'re a healer or an artist, and you have this gift that has to come out. And you can\'t make a living at it. It feels like you\'re being rejected by the universe itself. And it feels cruel, because you\'re doing everything you were told to do, and you aren\'t getting it and it feels sadistic and mean, and it\'s like I don\'t even want to play. And that\'s where I was. And I\'m speaking to any of you who know what that\'s like, now, Pastor center?

Brandon Handley 13:21
I\'ll tell you no, it\'s like, right. I mean, it\'s, you know, think my first round of coaching was like that. I\'m like, wow, you know, I\'ve got all the right things I\'m doing. I\'m doing all the right things, saying all the right things, Jones the right places and all this stuff, like, you know, and then you know, I guess it gets to a point where definitely a gift has to come out. And like you\'re saying like, well, universe is rejecting I know, I know, at that point, like I\'m doing something wrong, if it doesn\'t feel like it\'s an alignment. And you know, the values aren\'t aligned, and you keep throwing up against the same thing. So what hasn\'t changed?

Morgana Rae 13:57
Yeah, there really wasn\'t anything left to change in my doing. And so I\'m in this place where I can\'t afford anything. But I still have a coach can\'t afford rent, but I still have a coach, thank goodness. Because that\'s what changed my life. Very shortly after hitting this really horrible place, I think it was this the next day, because we\'re talking now a couple decades ago and every decade it gets a little fuzzier. I had a session with my coach, great guy who had been making suggestions really, really wonderful coach and I would do everything and nothing was shifting and we were like, didn\'t know why. And that day when I was in such a helpless, sad, angry, despairing place that inspired something in him to come out that just told total game changer. And he asked me this really weird question. He asked me if your money was a person who would your money be. And instantly, I saw exactly who my money was being. And it was this big, scary, dirty, violent biker dude who terrified me. Like, by the way, I always feel like I have to apologize to bikers at this moment. It\'s not you. It\'s this this one. Like, stole that the long sideburns and you know, the wife beater shirt and the tattoos, but there was something about him that was just really mean and dangerous that I couldn\'t be with. And I instantly saw myself at like a live event. So I could have my eye on him every moment hyper vigilant to create maximum distance between the two of us. And that was my lightbulb moment. Oh, my God, that\'s what I was doing. I was creating distance between money and myself as if money was going to kill me. Completely unconsciously. Because daily, I was taking all the actions I was supposed to take. A friend of mine says it\'s not your fault. It\'s your responsibility. Which is awesome. So there\'s no blame here. But because this relationship is your responsibility, you have the ability to respond and change it. Yay. So it was so clear to me in this moment that this biker, there was no way that I could have money in my life. If it was this guy, it just wasn\'t going to work. So I had to get rid of the biker, I had to get rid of what I now call the Money Monster. Which, by the way, has nothing to do with money. Like we can start with financial crimes and the experiences scarcity are people who exploit and do terrible things in the name of money or when you you know we can we can start with your own financial traumas are of your family or ancestors, we can start there. But that\'s not that\'s, that\'s just the door. That\'s just the beginning. What the reason money is such a painful subject, it\'s so taboo, like we can talk about sex, but we can\'t really talk about money and numbers. And there\'s so much shame and fear around it is because money represents really the deepest, deepest pains and challenges and vulnerabilities of being human. It represents love, are we loved? Does the universe love me? Am I wanted value am I valued? What is valued? What are my values? Its value? And bottom line safety? Like? Do I even get to exist? Am I treated like a human being can I eat? Can I get medical care? Do I have a right to exist? Is the world a safe loving place that values may or not, that is exactly what money represents. And so that\'s where you want to dig up the root cause of this Money Monster. So I have I didn\'t know that at the time, I had to kind of figure it out and reverse engineer it. So I could do this for other people later. I just happened to be in that horrible moment of experience, which made it very easy. So

Brandon Handley 18:34
yeah, I mean, you are in the ultimate survival mode, right? You\'re in the ultimate survival mode or your quote unquote, like rock bottom. And, you know, I always talk about the difference between, you know, the people that are at the rock bottom, they have nothing left to lose, or the guy won\'t go try this other thing, right? It\'s like the Janis Joplin song, nothing left to lose, right? And then you\'ve got two healthy normals, right? Which are the people that that are that are there, okay, where they\'re at, but they\'re not okay, right. They don\'t want they don\'t want to change it. But like, it\'s sometimes it\'s easier to lose everything so that you can go for exactly what you want.

Morgana Rae 19:10
Well, I believe and I call my process alchemy, like, you know, so, law of attraction, fans take a deep and cleansing breath. You\'ll get to have your positive thinking in a little while, but right now, it\'s not going to help you. It\'ll keep you stuck. So what we want to create as maximum polarity alchemy is the transmutation of lead, lead in human experience into gold. And the first thing we have to do is separate them completely and focus only on the lead and it\'s like a slingshot and it creates a tension that catapults us where we want to go but first we have to go really, really deep into the lead into that experience that we don\'t want to have, because that\'s what motivates change. And when you\'re in neutral Reality I call it money mode. It\'s kind of you\'re stuck. Can we change? Yeah, but first we have to dig, we have to dig a lot deeper into your reason to need to change. So that is the, like, glorious, sacred opportunity of these these hard moments. And that\'s where I am, kind of take a different tack than the way Law of Attraction is taught. I\'m not saying hi vibes only I\'m saying, Let us you know, low vibes are part of life, they are sacred, they\'re useful, they actually have a tremendous power in them, if we use them, you\'ve been through the experience, let\'s not waste it, don\'t come back another life and have to do it again. Let\'s get it now. And just milk it for everything, every every drop of wisdom and enlightenment, and empowerment and evolution that we can get from it. So you know, go deep, and then make it into this really human real monster that has no good, because this is what we\'re going to change. And it makes it more real when it\'s a person. We can talk about ideas for years and years and years, we can make lists of negative beliefs about money, so what but when we talk about relationship relationship is between people, even if that other person is your cat or your dog, you know, it\'s it\'s personal. There\'s there is back and forth, it has to feel that way for it to be real and relatable so that we can change it to have a real reference. So that\'s step two is making making the root cause the wounds anything that made you feel unsafe and loved unworthy things, maybe you\'re ashamed of maybe violence or accidents, especially things that illnesses especially things that don\'t look obviously like they have to do with money. I find that\'s really the best place to look. And then you then you imagine it\'s that that there is this person who is responsible for all of it. It just can\'t be your parents and it can\'t be you because in step number three, and this is what I developed since I went through my own shift first time decades ago, I found it more effective with clients that if instead number three, you obliterate you obliterate the beast, by any means necessary. So hello, Love and Light crowd. I know you\'re all vegans. With yoga mats, I know it. And I invite you to be as violent and overdramatic, and and thorough and complete in destroying the monster because at the end of the day, this monster will destroy you. There can only be one my mother loved Highlander. So there can only be one, there can only be one. Let\'s make that you. Yeah. So rid of it.

Brandon Handley 23:15
Yeah, real quick, just just just second, just pause as we go along for a second, as you\'re talking about, you know, creating this maximum polarity and going into the alchemy. I mean, there\'s a lot of energy stored and pent up energy in these areas. And you\'re talking about going to, right? And then you know, are you talking about transmuting that like you know, energy into into this right into the things

Morgana Rae 23:38
like the fire, it\'s like the fire in the alchemy lab. So our victim experience which I think you know, it\'s like I don\'t want to be there. But it\'s part of the human experience and if you\'ve been there and I have been there then the you want to use it. And I in my experience, the victim experience tends to feel very heavy it\'s kind of got a heaviness a coldness of dampness if we\'re gonna get all like touchy feely about it. But what helps you rise up from that victim experience and set boundaries and say no, like Monty Python Thou shalt not pass? Is is that like that slain that flaming torch and we have all these beautiful spiritual archetypes we\'ve got Durga in India, you\'ve got St. Michael in the West, you know, just slaying ignorance. And we\'re only we\'re not killing anything that has a corporeal form. So you just want to embody that that like Kali, flare of ignorance. I also loved Shiva, I got my degree in religion, I was really into Indian religion so and just destroy this embodiment of everything that He does not get to move forward in your life, like everything that you do not want to allow in your life experience. You put that in the monster and you reject it in this very dramatic, like Lord of the Rings playing the orcs fashion. And that\'s the first half of the process.

Brandon Handley 25:24
I mean, sounds good, right? And definitely a bunch of terminology I certainly understand. Right. You know, so we\'re making we\'re making this monster and we\'re we\'re personifying it. Right? I think anytime we in stories, right, we personify, there\'s a need to personify so that we can are able to relate to a lot easier. And that\'s what you\'re doing when you create this Money Monster and personify it. So that, right,

Morgana Rae 25:51
and it makes it a lot more specific, and unique and personal to you. This is your monster. This is not some generic everybody\'s monster, this is yours. And this one is focused on you. So it\'s very personal. And the way to take your power back is is that third step of destroying the Money Monster. And then when the monster is gone, yay, there\'s a new situation. When I first got rid of my monster, yay, I really and and I had this experience of oh my god, there\'s this feeling of emptiness. Like, I\'ve had this omnipresent monster Dude, my whole life around me that I never felt it, it\'s like you know, air, but when it\'s gone, you really notice, and nature abhors a vacuum. So I didn\'t know to destroy the monster then. And I was afraid it was going to come back. Or some like random Money Monster strolling down Sunset Boulevard was just going to get sucked into my vortex. So I needed to fill that spot. Immediately. Instantly, as soon as the monster is gone. Now we have a new problem slash opportunity, which is we need a new relationship. And it needs to be completely the polar opposite of what we had. Now the lucky thing is when you\'ve slayed the monster, and you have slayed and obliterated and rejected everything that you do not want in your life experience, only one thing remains and that\'s love. Like that\'s it, that\'s all that is, is love and expressions and manifestations of love. So when I thought to myself, well, who could I have in my life that I would want so much that I\'d be willing to have this relationship even if it\'s money because money has been very hurtful and scary in my life and I don\'t want to get into that kind of thing again. So I instantly luckily visualized in that moment just kind of showed up ready made. Who showed up with this tall dark handsome romantic young man carrying a bouquet of red flowers dressed in a tuxedo as if he wanted to take me out and he was very romantic and very loving and very in love with me and wanted to woo me which was is actually the character of this relationship is that it feels like love relationship love comes first before the cash and I have found over the course of coaching so many people that a lover dynamic usually is best best for a number of reasons on a spiritual level you\'re both equals your your honey this new relationship the money honey, you can you can break his or her or their heart you know, it\'s not rescue me money, you know, its partners, which is really healing and it kind of heals all those broken unloved bits inside of us. And because I also know that many of us have had really, you know, terrible sexual trauma, maybe a sexy money honey isn\'t the place to start. So the first rule is that this new relationship is really really safe. And that this person loves you. Loves you exactly as you are loves you more than anybody in the world. And this is somebody that you want to be with and have in your life as a partner because this person is worthy of your deepest love and admiration. shouldn\'t trust and it\'s just cool to be with someone nice, safe, you feel loved and you love back. That is step four, that is meeting your money, honey. So when I met mine, and I was aware of wow, this is so weird. This is like Money loves me, which is completely different than my lifetime experience and nothing that I expected. But he felt so vulnerable. And I could feel how much I had been breaking his heart for years by pushing him away. Like, I, I was the one hurting him. It\'s like, wow, I don\'t want to do that. So as you\'re not ill, it was actually me, I and this is really important. Unbeknownst to me, I\'ve always been the gatekeeper. It\'s like, it\'s like

Judy Garland and Wizard of Oz with the red shoes, like, you always have the power. But you had to go through this experience this Initiation this portal to find it because it\'s part of your evolution. So when it became safe, then I had the power. So but I knew he wanted to stay with me. But here\'s the kicker is I had no experience and how to allow this money to stay with me the way he wanted to. So I asked, that is the greatest thing about having this hot, sweet, adorable loving fun money, honey, of the money per episode, an American imaginary person as I can ask and get an answer back. So I asked him what he needed. And that first time out, he said he needed me to love him and stop treating him like a monster. And I thought, well, that\'s fair. What does that look like? Sure. And so we talked about it, and we I made a commitment to him. So step five, is you have the conversation with your new relationship with money. And Step six is you take concrete, measurable action. And this is what I committed to him was that next time you brought me a gift, I would say thank you. And that would look like if somebody wanted to hire me, because that\'s generally how he was trying to give me gifts. I would say thank you by saying this is my fee without any shame. With that feeling of appreciation, as love, and I got to try it out really quickly, because four people called me the next day and hired me for double what I\'d ever charged before. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 32:35
that\'s amazing. Would and it is right. It\'s kind of like that paradox, right? Where you\'re talking about having all that energy there, that Money Monster was kind of made me almost like a money bodyguard. Right? You know, you can look at it kind of any other way. But like now, she says she doesn\'t want any, you know, right. And then and then as soon as you know, you took a different different approach. And he said, you know, let them all in, you know, and, you know, but real quick, another one, you mentioned a couple concrete measurable actions, what, you know, and to me that, I think about, like, you know, numbers and timeframes and anything like that, but you said, You made him a promise, right? Something different. So what would be like another one or two concrete measurable actions? And we\'ll do that. Yeah.

Morgana Rae 33:22
So for me, it was all accidental. And so I\'m a lot better with the people I coach, I was just sort of like, oh, this is, you know, Oh, it worked. And then, and then I had all these clients, and I wasn\'t marketing the money stuff at all, but they were human beings, which meant that money came up. Because money is honestly the number one excuse that we human beings give for everything we can\'t have, do or be. So that\'s why and that\'s the only reason that I focus on money in air quotes as my pain door because the work really isn\'t about money. But it is fun when people like Anna call and you know, tell me that they that she made the $1.2 million or Perry made they made over $12 million. The big numbers are you know, kind of stand out so concrete measurable action, this is fun. Because when you\'re asking your money, honey what he or she or they need from you or want from you or you know, just whatever that conversation is. The answer that comes back is typically very wise and impossible to execute. So it\'ll be love yourself. Or trust yourself. Or the worst. Relax. Never ever, ever tell a woman to relax That\'s, that\'s bonus. That\'s

Brandon Handley 35:02
yeah. It\'s funny how many times you hear it, but you still can\'t figure it out.

Morgana Rae 35:12
So very cool, good, aspirational ideas. And nobody can love themselves perfectly 24/7 For the rest of their lives, we want to have a win. Also, I believe that if you want physical, concrete, tangible, measurable change in your life, then you want to take some kind of concrete, physical, tangible, measurable action, because it\'s kind of pulling it out of the ether into the physical realm, energetically, and you are teaching yourself and the universe that something has changed, but you want to give some kind of physical representation as sort of the little nice bow on top for any active magic. So what I suggest is you just start brainstorming with your money, honey, you don\'t have to know what the answer is, because you\'ve got your partner here. And if you\'re really tuned in, and this person really feels real and present and yummy, and you\'re excited, then it\'s going to be easier to get communication back. And for some people, you can just do it in your mind. Some people it\'s I have a client right now a guy you know, some people think I only coach women, but I also coach guys. He\'s very kinesthetic. He\'s very in his body. So writing works better for him. So you just like Neale Donald Walsch, you know, Brandon says that don\'t turn up money, honey, that you just write it out. However it is. But so what you\'re looking for as you just sort of spit out ideas is how your honey response in my experience, like it\'s, it can come out really quick and easy and fast and quiet. And sometimes it\'s so quick and quiet that I can pretend that I didn\'t hear the response. But you learn how to how to dialogue with your money, honey, and you learn how to recognize his or her response. So what you\'re looking for is the thing that really lights your money honey up and what is very, very common with clients is clients love to be like good students. So very often, the first thing that will come out is I\'m going to make 30 sales calls a day and I can just I just want to like collapse and like dig a grave right in that moment. It just feels so heavy. Yeah, I mean, what\'s happening there they they\'re in there, they\'re using their conscious mind and they\'re doing what they think they should do. But if they run it by their money honey that\'s not turning their money honey on the money honey doesn\'t think that 30 phone calls a day is going to be fun unless the money honey does but so far, I haven\'t seen that yet.

Brandon Handley 38:20
It\'s funny though, too. Right? And sorry to interrupt, right because this is exactly the question and like I said when you said you know this measurable action that\'s exactly what I\'m thinking Well, I gotta go 30 calls a day I gotta do this thing. I got to trudge and grind my way through it and my money on he\'s over there like keep going your mule

Morgana Rae 38:40
Yeah, but see that usually is more of a Money Monster Energy. So this is this is what is so fun about coaching and every human being being different. So I\'ve might question that we might find out oh, that there\'s still some Money Monster left or maybe the money honey just doesn\'t like that. And we just we keep going. And so things it can be something obvious like do your taxes get that out of the way and my client will tell me oh my God doing my taxes felt like foreplay I\'m like great but also sometimes it\'s something completely unrelated to money my client Katie curtain and this is public. It\'s you know, I\'ve got I\'ve got the she let me like record and sell the audio was actually on a public teleclass and then she became a private client afterwards. But so the first time we slayed her Money Monster, she had her money honey, her money honey, really lit up at the thought of her going skating in December, in Canada where it\'s really really cold, but that\'s what her money honey wanted. So she says She was going to do it. And then she didn\'t do it the first day, because she was so stressed about money. And there\'s so much to do. So she didn\'t do it. Day two, didn\'t go skating because she was so stressed about money and debt and all that all that she had to do, nothing happened. Day three, she went skating, she took her 10 year old little boy with her, they had this amazing time, this amazing heart connection, she came home, she got a phone call, and somebody gave her $10,000 without her even asking. And that was the beginning of the journey. Janet brockmeyer also very, very similar story, her money, honey wanted to go walking, but she\'s too busy trying to get clients for a week. Finally, she went walking, and she picked up two clients at more than she\'d ever charged before. I have a client whose money honey wanted her to stay home and do laundry, and she got a phone call and a $20,000 client. So it can be about money, or it can be about something else. It can be self care, you know, is is very attractive to money, healthy boundaries, very attractive to money. Sometimes my money honey says, You know that thing you\'ve been putting off? It\'s time to do it. Okay. Right.

Brandon Handley 41:12
Now, you know, you said Law of Attraction earlier. Right? And, you know, it feels similar in that some of these actions are in alignment with like, kind of what we really want to be doing, but we\'re letting money be the monster that it is and saying, Well, you can\'t do that right kind of thing. But in law of attraction, in some circles, right? It\'s like, do the thing that makes you feel good, just go do that and feel good? Or like,

Morgana Rae 41:42
yeah, go ahead. Sometimes. Back in 2007, I thought it\'d be a really cool idea to go on a book tour. And by the way, at that time, my book might at that time, my publisher was OfficeMax. Like, now I\'ve got a real book. And you know, Walmart carries it. But back in the day, my publisher of record was OfficeMax, sometimes Kinkos, the dependent on where I was. And I had booked a cross country book tour, where I was speaking at like, all these mystical bookstores up and down the west coast on the East Coast, a little bit in the middle and doing radio shows. And it was really, really cool. Until it was approaching. And then I didn\'t want to do it. All I could see was I was spending so much money on airfare and housing and rental cars with no guarantee of making a penny back. And I just didn\'t want to do it. And my money, honey said, you\'re going to do it because you said you\'re going to do it. And I did it. And honestly, I completely sold out my inventory. At my first speaking gig. It was, I think, some kind of like, conscious living speaking conference in San Francisco. And then the next day, out of the blue, I suddenly had a TV interview in Sacramento and I and I honestly made more money in that in those few weeks than I\'d ever made before. But I had no I didn\'t know that I would. And it really came down to you don\'t know what\'s going to happen because that\'s life. Like, I never predict what\'s going to happen. Sometimes I can see something but most of the time, especially with sales, I don\'t predict that. But yeah, my money How do you said do it even though I didn\'t want to do it? That\'s integrity.

Brandon Handley 43:46
Yeah, I\'m in with that. Right. Like, you know, the Four Agreements type of thing right sounds and you had to do what\'s your own integrity with but also sounds like sounds like Your Money Monster was showing up because you were starting to worry about like, you\'re starting to worry about you know, spending too much I\'m doing all this and I know money honey, I said we\'d go out again, but not right now. Now. I suppose you\'re taking for a nice steak dinner. But you know, what a mind in the pennies or whatever. And so it sounds like kind of like that\'s what showed up and but you went ahead and you listened. You got that guidance. And you know, it kind of opened up and it shows you that. Go with it. Like yeah, we don\'t know what\'s gonna happen. And that\'s what I love about sales too, right? Because they\'ll sales always like, we want linearity. Show us. The lines going up. You\'re like, well, how we\'ll do it.

Morgana Rae 44:38
Yeah, well, I love the way you put that because yes, sometimes you just have to decide. You have to decide who do I choose to be in relationship with. I did this teleconference back in 2007. And it was the first big one that I\'d ever really done. And I had the speaking gig in Norway. I was single at the time, and I had As fantasy this is totally not related, but I have this fantasy that I go to Norway and get to say something like, Why yes, Hans, I\'d love to see your long boat. So that yeah, that\'s how I was making business decisions anyway. So I have this big figs speaking virtual gig on a huge platform, and I was the best I\'ve ever spoken up until that moment, right. I was like, really on and I was making, I was making an offer like a ridiculously underpriced offer. But it was stretchy for me at that time. And then no sales came in. And my shopping cart crashed. In retrospect, I think that probably so much was coming in at that time that it completely crashed, and I wasn\'t getting any orders. And I felt so betrayed. So betrayed by money, because I just spent the last 90 minutes talking about what a great person your money honey is, and how you have to be a great business. Or sorry, a great a great relationship partner. And, and then he did this to me, and I was cursing him out, like, so angry, so hurt. And what was even worse was it didn\'t upset him. He just thought it was funny. He was laughing. And, and, and he said, we\'ll turn it into an opportunity. And I\'m like, oh, and he says you\'ll figure it out. And I had this instant moment of self awareness that cursing out my money, honey may not be the embodiment of being a good relationship partner right now. So you\'re

Brandon Handley 46:45
hanging out with Hans

Morgana Rae 46:46
Fu Fu so I like pulled up my big girl personal development panties and, and said, okay, okay, I\'ll look for the opportunity. But I want you to know, I\'m really, really mad at you. And the next day, I got a phone call from the host of the class that I taught for this huge personal development company, who said, Oh, my God, that was amazing. I had never thought of money as a relationship, which is hysterical, because that is their signature product, its relationship with money, that whole company. And I\'m, and she\'s saying, and I\'m sharing the recording with everybody in our office. So I\'m glad. That\'s wonderful. And like, my little antenna starts to perk up. I wonder if there\'s an opportunity here. So I tell her that, like, my shopping cart went down, and I\'m pretending to have a sense of humor about it. And she goes, Oh, that\'s terrible. And I go, but can we do about it? What can we do about it? And she said, and she said, Well, I will just send out the replay to our audience of 500,000 people, would that be okay? And I thought, yeah. So it went out to 500,000 people. And my sales were far more than they would have been had all this drama and broken shopping cart nonsense, far more than it would have happened. Like, you know, just long term clients. Yeah, totally covered the trip and all that kind of stuff. And it was a really good learning moment for me. Sort of so you can actually have a fight and still be loved. You have to choose Are you going to have a relationship with your money honey, your Your Money Monster, you don\'t know what you\'re gonna get with your money, honey, but you do know what you\'re gonna get With Your Money Monster and you know, you don\'t want it. And things can turn out far, far better on the other side of what looks like a mess, right? So you just have to, you know, you just have to stay in relationship, like a real relationship, stay in communication, and keep putting love first.

Brandon Handley 49:07
What\'s it look like? I guess, to have that ongoing relationship, like I guess, you know, are you writing notes on the daily be like, hey, you know, money honk money, honey, you know, to hear what\'s going on, you know, do we send notes to each other? What\'s the ongoing communication process like?

Morgana Rae 49:29
It\'s gonna be different for everybody. I have a client named Athena who goes on God walks and she just has conversations with her money, honey out in nature, and it\'s been really supportive for her in first financial stuff. She went from being in mountains of debt and in a bad marriage with two small children just kind of making $100 here and there with psychic reading gigs to making 10s of 1000s of dollars a month in about five months. And then her Honey, honey said I don\'t want you to do that anymore. I want you to focus on music. So she\'s been on that other journey and her money honey has been there in terms of like getting married and her money honey has been there when one of her children tragically was killed. And she had to ID the body. And she said she couldn\'t have done it without our money, honey. So it\'s a it is a spiritual journey. She doesn\'t walk in what I do, what is my easiest way to like get the most value out of the relationship and stay connected daily is I have a practice of every day answering a bunch of questions that I created for myself. And some of that is in my book. What is not in the current iteration of the book, but I think I want to add it is I like to share what what are my challenges actually, there it is, in the book, I\'m on a on a weekly a weekly thing, but I do a daily now, which is what is challenging need, what do I have? Do I have any negative thoughts is like the best way that by the way, my negative thoughts, it\'s almost like a turns my money honey on because it gives him you know, something to do. Right? He wants something to do. So if I, like come out with that, you know, saw I\'m not good enough, I\'m gonna fail at this. Nobody loves me. He\'ll respond usually first by laughing and tell it and then giving me whatever message like I need. And that\'s my favorite practice for staying in daily relationship is kind of flipping my own negative defaults. And then hearing my money, honey, it\'s sort of a trick or a hack for accessing your highest wisdom without all of your neurotic baggage attached. Now, it\'s also like if I making it this other person, then this beloved, right? And it\'s kind of flirty, right? You know, he\'s just he thinks that my insecurities are adorable, by the way. So this my husband\'s like, they are so similar.

Brandon Handley 52:22
I\'m glad, I\'m glad it\'s continued to work out. And definitely, it\'s definitely quite a bit in here that you\'ve shared. There\'s plenty more on your website, you\'ve got your books, podcast, plenty of other podcasts and audios. And what we\'ll share out some links at the end here. But is there anything else right in this moment that you\'d like to share? If not, I\'ve got just a little little bit that we do. And then and then we have to towards the end?

Morgana Rae 52:44
Oh, yeah, I have a really fun, non scary, easy quiz on my website, my money love quiz, that I encourage you to start there if you don\'t know where to begin. Because all it there\'s, you probably have figured out I\'m I\'m really not into the judgey Shamy thing. I believe we are all on the same journey, which is to a life that is focused completely on love, lifestyle and legacy. And the only purpose of for money to exist is to serve love, lifestyle, and legacy. And when it serves anything else, that\'s when problems happen. So we\'re all on the same path. And so this quiz just kind of it helps. It helps you identify where you\'re just really super strong rockin it, where you need support. And based on your responses, it lets me know what to send you. Like, instead of just giving everybody in the world the same gift. It\'s like, Oh, why don\'t you listen to this? Maybe this is where you need to go next. And so that\'s that\'s the quiz on the homepage.

Brandon Handley 53:59
Very cool. Now, thanks for sharing that. That will be beneficial. I love that you send out something that is actually not just like, hey, thanks for thanks for filling this out. Everybody gets one of these right? Says personalized little bit. These tend to degree that they\'re answered. So we\'ll definitely send people there. And if you\'ve got just a couple moments here, then what I always liken this to this podcast, who\'s kind of like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody\'s tuning into the podcast, and they\'re like, I\'m just looking for my next vehicle speed day, who am I gonna spend like, because, you know, I think you know, in the world of marketing to like the average time that somebody spends about 90 days like kind of listen to like certain podcasts before they move on or this day, right? So it\'s a speed date. And you\'re my spiritual bachelorette of the day. So spiritual Bachelorette number one. I think this one, this is a good question for you. Why is there poverty and suffering in the world? I think

Morgana Rae 55:02
people are fundamentally just as sentient beings. We\'re frightened. And because we\'re frightened, there is a tendency for some people to hoard. I don\'t think, you know, oligarchies with all these resources beyond whatever they need. They are very, very frightened people. It\'s it. And I think this is why we have poverty and suffering, because we have the resources, we have the technology. But there\'s a there\'s a very tribal, a very ancient wiring, in our belief system, that we have to be separate from others. And we have to have more than others. And it shows up in lots of different ways. You know, religious wars, racism, sexism, fear of otherness, fear that there won\'t be enough for us. And I think that\'s where it all comes from. And the solution is, it\'s so individual, it\'s systemic, yes, but all systems begin with individuals, is we have to work on ourselves first. And it always, always, always boils down to I am enough, when I am enough, it is possible for me to have enough. When I not enough, everything in the world is never going to be enough. And that\'s that\'s the real world work that needs to be done.

Brandon Handley 56:44
Nothing that\'s powerful. A couple of things now, right sounds like, you know, part of it\'s just like this, this heritage, right? It\'s it\'s been kind of handed and people just aren\'t breaking the chain, right? Be like, well, this works, especially if they\'re rich, right? Like, well, this worked before. And we all say rich, I\'m gonna keep doing it. Right? Let\'s keep this Let\'s not break this chain. And then the other part, right? I am enough, are idea of things folks who earlier, right? The money equals our value, I don\'t see a bunch of money. So I must not be worth a whole lot type of thing. And really just kind of changing that other game, you\'re like, Well, you know what, actually, I don\'t need the money to show me my value. And as I begin to see my own value, understand that I\'m enough, I began to see more money, right? It\'s kind of it works a little bit in the reverse. And then I think that we\'ve been taught, that\'s been my experience anyways, right? And, you know, you talked about the vacuum, sometimes it\'s just like, as a bag up and somebody acts it up, and then that\'s great. Right? So that\'ll happen. And so it\'s pretty interesting to see that happen, especially when we when we talk about our worthiness and our value. And we we tend to relate that worthiness and value to how much am I doing? And how hard am I working? Right versus your enough, like, you don\'t have to like, you know, I don\'t know, sacrifice your all of who you are, to get what you want. So,

Morgana Rae 58:07
like the wealthiest state of being, is when you don\'t need to prove anything right.

Brandon Handley 58:13
Now, I love that. I love that one more here for you. Because I think that it relates to what you\'re saying. In you mentioned about people being frightened, right. So when they\'re frightened, you know, that to me would indicate that that\'s preventing them from living to their full potential, what else would be keeping people from living to their fullest potential?

Morgana Rae 58:34
Well, I actually I had this image when you were talking about being frightened, because like, one of my favorite topics is the connection of love and money. And one of the unintended consequences that I found of my work early on, which is my favorites, is that when people heal their relationship with money, their love lives get better. So women, when we\'re frightened, we become really like hard and protective and masculine and we have our armor up and we\'re like, we want this that that and we\'re not going to settle for anything less and we\'re like, and gods are like, Oh my God. And men when they slay their monster what is so beautiful is like, you can see it in their shoulders. They\'re like this and and, and they they become the heroes they\'ve always wanted to be. And so while women when they when they need their money, honey, they may be like, Oh, I can finally finally relax. Now it\'s safe. I can just wrap myself in my money honey arms and, and be supported now in this moment. And for the man it\'s like their money, honey. It\'s like you slay the monster for me. You\'re my hero. And he\'s like, Yeah, I am. And so he becomes really attractive not just to money, but to romance. And the same for women. And that that is, I think, my happiest favorite effect of the work because it really ultimately, is. It all boils down to our relationship with life. Are we safe? Are we wanted are we loved?

Brandon Handley 1:00:17
Awesome, we\'re gonna thank you so much for coming on today. Now I know we can send them to take the quiz, folks, where should we send them to connect with you?

Morgana Rae 1:00:27
Morgana ray.com Just my name with a.com at the end that is the mother ship that has my video series that has the quiz that has my book that has hundreds of articles and videos and you know my programs and if you want to, like run off to Bali or Mexico with me for a week and become a money goddess, that\'s where you\'ll find it too.

Brandon Handley 1:00:50
Awesome. Thanks so much for being on.

Morgana Rae 1:00:53
My pleasure. Thank you for having me. I

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