Greg Wieting: A Healer For Those Who Can't Think or Talk It Out
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Intro Guy 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you\'ve questioned so much more than those around you. You\'ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general, you\'re so limited thought process Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can\'t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don\'t even have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let\'s get right into today\'s episode.
Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I\'m on here today with Greg Wieting. He is a healer who helps leaders and entrepreneurs heal the anxiety, depression, chronic pain and trauma they can\'t think or talk their way out of. He is the founder of Prisma a framework overlaying trauma, neuroscience and energy medicine with somatic and mindfulness based principles. He developed this while healing his own anxiety, depression and chronic pain rooted in trauma. This included unraveling a severe spinal curvature and standing three inches taller today. Over the last two decades, Greg has helped 1000s Heal through his one on one practice and AS certified hundreds of healthcare professionals in his method methodology, his new online course and community now make healing practical and accessible to all Greg, thanks for being on today.
Greg Wieting 1:32
Hey, Brad, good to be here.
Brandon Handley 1:35
Absolutely. So, you know, which Greg and I were talking a little bit he\'s out in San Francisco for those that have tuned into the podcast. That\'s that\'s why that\'s, that\'s where I was born. Right. So it\'s always it\'s always fun to talk to people in San Francisco. Greg, when you drove into San Francisco, like how cool is like that scene like when you see like all the houses up on the hills are all like different colors. It\'s just like an interesting, really, how fun was that?
Greg Wieting 2:01
Yeah, my first trip to San Francisco was probably back in 99 2000. I was living in Seattle at the time and magical coming over the Golden Gate Bridge. It\'s nice before you even get into the city coming over the bridge, the way the city\'s lit up at the late afternoon. It almost looks all white kind of like flushed in the late day sun and it\'s so just looks like this like glowing city. And then yeah, once you get into the neighborhoods, you see all the vibrant colors. And yeah, just lots of character. Lots of charm. So much
Brandon Handley 2:31
fun, so much fun. Well, Greg, I usually like to start this off with the whole idea that you and I are simply conduits for universal life energy, and it\'s expressing itself through us, hopefully, in this podcast for somebody\'s greatest and highest good. And it can only be expressed right now on this podcast in this moment, what\'s common through you today that you feel like you should be sharing?
Greg Wieting 2:56
Yeah, well, I think, you know, I reached out because that\'s, that\'s the essence of how I work with my clients. And that\'s the essence, the foundation of just my own healing practice, really getting out of the getting out of our way, right, letting go fixed attachment to outcome, letting go of rigid agendas that are coming from kind of the limitations of the mind opening up to something more universal. I think that\'s where, you know, as much as I try to demystify healing, and make it really practical and grounded, you know, and we open up to that universal connection. That\'s where the magic happens.
Brandon Handley 3:33
That\'s really cool. I love the idea, right? Have these rigid agendas, right, kind of letting go and letting it happen? Talk to me a little bit about that. Because that\'s the first time I\'ve heard it pronounced that way. But as I kind of walk through and try it, and I struggle, sometimes talking with people, like, you know, you got to let go of like, the linearity and just kind of let it happen. And they\'re like, What do you mean by that? Like, I don\'t know, but that\'s how it works. So like, you know, the way you pronounce it, the way you announce it, though, rigid agenda is like, what\'s a rigid agenda? And how can we let go of that?
Greg Wieting 4:08
Yeah. You know, and it\'s, it\'s a tricky, nuanced thing, because I think we probably come to healing because we want something right, we probably come to healing because we have some pain point that we want to resolve, or we have some question that we want answered. You know, and so there\'s there is this idea that perhaps there\'s something that needs to be fixed or resolved. So I want to honor that we, you know, sometimes that tendency to have a fixed rigid agenda is actually what gets us to a healing path in the first place. And it\'s also going to be what gets in the way. I guess I can just share, you know, in terms of, you know, the curve and my spine. You know, I don\'t actually practice yoga as much as I used to I\'ve kind of do other things physically. We right now. But, you know, when I used to get on my yoga mat, and I felt like, Oh, I just want to get in like a deep back bends, because you know, I\'m just really feeling the tension around the curve of my spine, you know, so if I had this fixed agenda to actually get into a deeper backbend to open my sign to unravel my, you know, that curve, you know, it was like me coming out my body for kind of a violent place, because I actually wasn\'t accepting my body where it was. So, you know, the core of how I work. And you know, what I try to impart to those I work with is just a deep acceptance of what is and then that deep acceptance of what is, is when things can actually start to change, but not necessarily according to the plan that we have made up in our minds. Because healing is pretty nonlinear. It\'s not a direct, it\'s not a direct shot.
Brandon Handley 5:52
Yeah. So I mean, I love that idea to write coming out coming out, you\'re coming out yourself, like almost in a violent way. And it\'s like, you will obey everything I throw at you invited, like, Well, maybe not today. Right? And not in the way that you think that it\'s going to. And as we as we talk about, like, I guess, linearity and and, and healing, right, so Greg, if I come to you, and I\'m in pain, and something\'s going on, and like, you don\'t heal me, in that, like moment, then how, like, you know, what is the linearity aspect of it? Because that\'s how, like, you know, we see things on a timeline most most of us, right? And we don\'t see this kind of everything that goes this holistic kind of 360 view. So what does that look like?
Greg Wieting 6:42
Yeah, well, for me, before I actually would bring anyone on to work with, I\'d have a conversation, to manage expectations, and to let folks know that that\'s just not how I work, although many of my clients and students are going to see some shifts that are pretty tangible, you know, from the get go pretty upfront. That\'s not That\'s not how it works for everyone. Right? And, you know, actually, I kind of look at my work as actually helping people be with their pain, because how much of our life we\'ve been running from our pain, have we been suppressing our pain? You know, and so we may suppress the emotional pain that that comes out as physical pain, right? So, for me, managing expectations, and you know, the,
Brandon Handley 7:29
what\'s it look like? If I come into by coming to you for an appointment? Right? You know, what\'s that? What\'s that call? Or even that appointment gonna look like?
Greg Wieting 7:36
Yeah, well, the first call is letting folks know, I mean, for me, when right now, when I\'m working with clients, it\'s a nine or 12 month arc of transformation, not to say it takes nine or 12 months to get out of pain. But the deeper work that I\'m committed, helping my clients get at, you know, we\'re looking at kind of resolving, you know, the wounding of, you know, early attachment wounds, and, you know, trauma patterns that have kind of calcified in the body, right, the subconscious unconscious mind, take up residence in the body, and it takes time to kind of understand how that has imprinted upon us in our beliefs and our behaviors. And so, kind of reverse engineering that is a process. So that initial conversation is, you know, saying, Hey, this is gonna be a process. And we may not, you know, surface any major breakthroughs. You know, in the first few sessions, it may take time there, you know, I found myself on kind of a trauma informed approach, which is, you know, slow and steady, you know, and safe and sustainable. Because I look at a lot of, you know, I think in this world, I\'ve heard the word like, healing crisis. And I kind of look at that more as healthcare mismanagement where people are trying to force things to move and shift and heal too fast too soon. But
Brandon Handley 8:53
yeah, Greg, I mean, we\'re not we\'re not we\'re not ones that like to wait around, right? Like, we want it. We want it. You know, we want it like our Netflix, right? We want it like our gigabit gigabit download speeds, right. So yeah, I love I love that kind of healing, healthcare mismanagement. So he says,
Greg Wieting 9:10
Yeah, I mean, I used to hear that word healing crisis tossed around a bunch. And, you know, it\'s like, well, what\'s happened is that we\'ve overtaxed the system in trying to heal it and trying to change it, which has then yeah, created this crisis, which I think I\'ve seen people use that word healing crisis as if it\'s a good thing. And it\'s like, no, that\'s fair mismanagement that\'s lacking a trauma informed lens, where you\'re trying to move the system through a process that it\'s not ready to move through. So, you know, I think when it comes to healing trauma, trauma is usually the effect of something that was too much too soon, too fast that overwhelmed the system so we didn\'t have the capacity or the resources to be with it and metabolize it. So healing It lowing all of that down.
Brandon Handley 10:02
Right. So been studying a lot of breathwork, recently, this past year, and one of the things they talk about is, I guess, in the animal kingdom, that animals, they kind of they watch them to go through something, they shake it off, right, they get rid of that energy, they there\'s like an energetic release of, of whatever it was that they just went through. And humans don\'t necessarily do that. Right. So as you were talking about, right, like this, this, this trauma, it gets stuck in us. And I love that saying, you know, the calcified aspect of it gets stuck in us and we don\'t release it, we don\'t address it, and it kind of builds up, right. is, you know, is that is that kind of how you\'re seeing it too. Real similar to that? Is that along the right lines, of how trauma kind of gets trapped inside of us. And, you know, just as as we\'re talking about that, right, is there you know, what can we do to address trauma, like, sooner? Right? How can we recognize that we just had a traumatic moment? And what can we do in those moments to heal so that it\'s not calcifying?
Greg Wieting 11:20
Yeah. And I love that I used that imagery shoe I saw, you know, on one of the nature shows that Gizelle being chased by a cheetah, and the moment that Gazelle realized it was no longer in danger, it just does this ritual shaking, and then instantaneously goes back to just eating grass and just, you know, without engineering, right, right. We don\'t do that. So learning how to do that, but really just normalizing because what if a lot of our trauma response, our stress response, which then turns into the anxiety and the depression, what if it\'s actually a healthy response to a pretty unhealthy world, right? I want to remove the stigma out of mental health. I don\'t even like the word mental illness, because mental illness is often treated as a condition without actually noticing the trauma beneath it. So if you just support and heal the trauma, then, you know, these conditions tend to kind of fade away. Or, you know, the trouble with mental illness, you know, diagnosis is then creating an identity around the illness. And we\'re not our illness, just like we\'re not our trauma. And so, yeah, I think removing the stigma and normalizing it. And I think conversations like this helping us realize that Wait, what if we can slow down to kind of feel the impact that life has had on us, you know, just rushing over experience? That\'s all we\'re doing is rushing from one experience to another? So how do we just build that in, you know, still, a lot of my friends are creatives and just like, how do we just even build in a day of space for nothing? Right, right, like, just just creating space for nothing, so then we can kind of tap back into that creative impulse or that universal impulse. So I think, you know, making that a practice carving out time, you know, I think, self care, you know, I think there\'s, I think there\'s some idea of self care, you know, like going to the movies, getting a pedicure or self care is like self inquiry, right? Self Care, you know, doing this deeper, emotional attunement to our unmet needs, right? And mapping that and acknowledging what\'s
Brandon Handley 13:37
an exercise like that Great, that sounds great. Like, I mean, how can I do that? Like, what\'s that look like?
Greg Wieting 13:43
You know, I I wish I could reverse engineer to like, have like, three bullet points, right. And I\'m trying to do bullet points. Now I have a whole module in my course around mapping unmet needs, right? Because so often we normalize our unmet needs. And then when we feel the impact of having unmet needs, we then think that it\'s something\'s wrong with us, right. And then we start to feel pathological and these unmet needs. And then we believe that we\'re not even worthy of having needs much less being supported or asking to ask you for what we want. So, you know, really, I talked about grieving the loss of what never was. So in early development, if we didn\'t have, you know, reliable, consistent care and support, you know, trauma isn\'t just like, you know, violence and abuse, it\'s also neglect, right? And so that that comes at a cost. And when that\'s, especially in early development, we normalize that and then we assume that we\'re not getting what we need because something\'s wrong with us. So recognizing that maybe nothing\'s wrong with me. I didn\'t get what I needed that had an impact on me understanding what that impact is. And then, and then working through that emotional impacts processing that, which then makes us more available to, you know, take care of our own needs, but then also get our needs met relationally.
Brandon Handley 15:17
Right. And fine. And Greg, let\'s, let\'s talk a little bit about how you found yourself in this space, if I understand correctly, like you found your way into this space through like Reiki and energy work. Right. And that kind of opened up, open. Open up the healing space for you. Was that right? And my tracking there?
Greg Wieting 15:34
Yeah, I, you know, with the curve of my spine, I used to live in severe chronic pain, anxiety, depression, and I had a friend who was a massage therapist, she offered me a massage, physical touch at the time was painful. I turned down a massage from a friend. And she said, Well, what about Reiki which I had never heard of, but I have great trust in her. And she said, You know, I don\'t even have to touch her can be very light touch. And I realized I found something I didn\'t even know I was looking for, you know, I could just feel you know, and I didn\'t even know what the nervous system was at that time. Sure, sure. You know, my whole body, just take an exhale and just soften.
Brandon Handley 16:13
So you reacted, you reacted. You responded very well, to the Reiki.
Greg Wieting 16:18
Yeah. So that first session, and we were living two and a half hours apart, this was when I was living in Montana at the time, but I had down to Missoula pretty often. So you know, have some sessions, but within a year, I\'d moved to Seattle. And that\'s when I started to study Reiki and, you know, really commit to the practice. And then that kind of led me to the mindfulness and the meditation and just kind of building that led to kind of trauma and neuroscience and kind of connecting all these pieces that, you know, I felt were the pieces that helped me heal without having to, like, think or talk my way through it. Because, again, just tapping into a deeper current of my body\'s wisdom and letting that organizational intelligence, you know, that consciousness repattern you know, we can do that through kind of an expanded field of awareness. Not with like, the limitation of, you know, the mind.
Brandon Handley 17:17
Right, I\'m a fan. I\'m not a Hawkins, Dr. Hawk, you know, it was a David Hawkins, right, who talks about talks about that, right, you know, I guess, you know, kind of getting responses from your body as like, you know, yes, no, right kind of questions be like, hey, was, you know, your body\'s gonna respond to certain things. And, and it will be right. And that\'s really kind of your subconscious guiding you through like a, you know, tapping into a field that you just normally don\'t feel like you\'re tapped into, but you\'re tapped into it at all times. Is that, is that right? Is that kind of?
Greg Wieting 17:55
Yeah, you know, if like, if we get a paper cut, there is a healing mechanism that sends platelets and proteins and orchestrates all these biochemical transmissions right, like, we\'re not, not we\'re not thinking our way through that there\'s, you know, a deep wisdom in chiropractic, they call that innate wisdom, right? I practice energy medicine called Body Talk, which was developed by an osteopath and chiropractor. And so were consulting with the body\'s innate wisdom, to guide us to kind of Yeah, what is the priority to restore internal communication? So because of trauma or stress, you know, where\'s the nervous system short circuited wherever these breakdowns in communication, you know, occurred that need to be restored. And so we can actually consult the body\'s innate wisdom to repair these pathways that communication. You know, I love the imagery of the body being a symphony orchestra. And so if every issue and cell and bone and memory and belief and hormone, and neurotransmitter are all just players in that Symphony Orchestra, you know, we\'re expressing health, there\'s this musicality of being, you know, we\'re in this harmonic resonance. But over time, yes, stress, trauma, overwhelm, environmental toxins, toxins in our food, intergenerational patterns just start to accumulate short circuit that communication. So then, yeah, we\'re starting to make more noise than music. And so then that\'s when the symptoms start to creep up. And so that\'s the other piece, we can start to look at our symptoms as the body\'s, you know, the body\'s cry for help. And if we start to pay attention to the systems before they\'re screaming, but they\'re just like gentle whispers, we can usually stay on top of them before it becomes you know, too much.
Brandon Handley 19:47
Right, right now, I love that. I mean, what\'s the example that you you would say to somebody? Like, you know, when you\'re talking about the symphony, and I always think about like, yeah, maybe they actually My kids just were did a band rehearsal, I was watching a band rehearsal, and my youngest one, like he hit the cymbal too soon, right? And you could tell like it was just off, right? So when can you when as the body\'s going, right? How can you tell like somebody\'s hit your cymbal, you\'re you\'re hitting a symbol to send something is off, not aligned that you should pay attention to?
Greg Wieting 20:25
I might not answer. You know, because I how I work is non diagnostic and non prescriptive. So I\'m done thoroughly determining what\'s off so much as my work is to actually see the doorway of possibility. So I think that\'s a big shift in healing, too. I think in healing, we\'re so organized around the pain or the problem. And so I train my mind to focus on the possibility. So I\'m not as concerned with what\'s out a tune, I\'m just looking for what\'s what\'s the input of energy that can then support just the recovery and the new expression of harmony to come online?
Brandon Handley 21:10
Is that kind of how you work through your, your, your curvature?
Greg Wieting 21:15
Yeah, so the first you know, and that curve unraveled, you know, over many years, but I\'d say the first time I felt a significant shift, probably of almost an inch within one healing session, I was receiving Body Talk and Reiki which is all energy medicine. And, you know, the practitioner was balancing some hormones, just some beliefs from early childhood, to I don\'t even remember what else but you know, an example and body Takus, we may balance a certain memory to a certain belief tied into a certain muscle tied into a certain hormone. And it\'s like, once we\'ve identified these different vibrations, that wants to come into a new harmonic resonance, that\'s going to have ripple effects on the entire energy matrix of the whole body, right, because if my entire body is the consciousness, and we start to create new harmonic resonance within different parts, then the whole system is going to kind of refresh and update to a new harmonic understanding of itself. And so instead of treating the curve of my spine, we harmonize emotions, beliefs, and memories. And then the curve in my sign, got to have a new understanding of itself, you know, and I look at the connective tissue, and the fascia is what really holds the muscles and the bones together, and the connective tissue and fascia is also where we store memories, and traumas and beliefs. So like, as we help the system start to metabolize that, and then the identities right, because if we\'re carrying a trauma around, and then we\'re carrying this victim consciousness in our body, it\'s gonna, you know, that\'s gonna affect our posture, right? If you see, you know, and you can just see different people walking down the street that some people maybe are carrying, like a very relaxed and empowered posture. Others, you know, are kind of, you know, guarded and hunched over and protection or fear, you know, so it\'s like the body, you know, we\'re carrying these costumes and masks that we can start to repattern through, you know, all of these tools, you know, mindfulness, just helping to reorient. So it\'s like, oh, I\'m actually not the victim that my trauma might otherwise believe me to be right. So well, then who am I that, and I think healing affords us the space to kind of explore that, and then live into that.
Brandon Handley 23:42
Right? So rather than coming in and telling me that I\'ve got some serious issues, right, you\'re like, alright, Brandon, we\'re gonna work through, you know, you\'re you are however you are right now. Right? How would you kind of like to be? Or is, you know, here\'s a vision or a possibility for you and your life? Would you like to work towards that? Right? Is that is that kind of how it works out? And then you, you know, you do your modalities? Right, but I gotta assumes I\'ve got to be open to it for it to work.
Greg Wieting 24:18
Sure. I mean, yes or no, yeah. So my initial call clients, I do I want to get to, I want to get to have an understanding of what their goals are with the vision they hold for their future. And I want to hold that vision. And I think mapping our desires very powerful. I think there\'s a lot of people from desire, that I think trauma can actually suffocate or mute. So we want to, you know, name that and then I want to hold the vision of helping, you know, the body\'s innate wisdom live in the fulfilment of that. And, and yet, each session, I say, well, all right, I see what your vision is. But now let\'s just see where your body is. And let\'s meet The body, mind and spirit where they are. And then let\'s see what new possibility wants to emerge from where you are now. So we\'re not forcing you to this destination, we\'re just supporting your system to kind of find the the most harmonic resonance that\'s optimal for it in this moment to lead it on that trajectory. And yes, and no, in terms of having to have a belief in the work. I mean, yeah, most people need to be open to some sort of alternative to explore my type of work. And a lot of folks, I mean, when they\'re at the end of their rope, you know, I had a client who came and they were $100,000 in medical debt, and couldn\'t get out of bed for two years. So they\'re finally willing to give something else to try. So I kind of worked with a lot of mystery illness as well, because it\'s like, you know, and I have a team and naturopaths, and a psychiatrist that refer patients to me where it\'s like that we\'ve done the treatments, we\'ve done the medications, nothing\'s working, because actually, the trauma is, you know, stagnating the system. So it\'s not responding to these treatments. So, like, come in and work with the trauma. But I\'ve had a few skeptics over the years, you know, I had a client when I lived back there. And he said, You know, I think what you\'re, what you do is bullshit. But, you know, I, you know, my wife has just been asking me to come for, you know, for months or years, however long it was. So here I am, finally. And then he became, you know, a really close, committed client, because, you know, and I throw up when I\'m teaching this work that, you know, don\'t believe in anything I share or teach. It\'s like, have your own experience. Right. So I don\'t, I don\'t believe in energy medicine, I have an experience of energy medicine.
Brandon Handley 26:47
Sure, not. Yep, that\'s enough. Yeah. Sure. Sure. There\'s a knowing, right. The different a different sense. And that 100%. And, yeah, I love that. Well, let\'s talk a little bit about this, what you have created Prisma. Let\'s talk a little bit about that.
Greg Wieting 27:06
Yeah. So, you know, my path was not a direct path that wasn\'t linear, it wasn\'t easy. I found that a lot of traditional approaches to therapy, which I\'m not knocking, therapy therapy has been a huge piece of my journey, which has been great. But I have found a lot of approaches to therapy, were ill equipped to address the impacts of trauma that were stored in my body physically, right. So as much as therapy helped me develop a really good intellectual framework and shift a lot of my intellectual framework around my wounding, that kind of wasn\'t able to uncover and resolve what was happening, you know, physically in terms of the chronic pain, and still then the residue that was still creating the anxiety and depression in my body. So, you know, that left me on this search. And so yeah, prisma is kind of a fusion of all the tools that I found to be most relevant on my on my path. And so the course itself is an eight week course that I consider like a roadmap for healing. And then the seven prisoner pillars, which I found are kind of like the essential drop pins on that map. So, you know, because I think we can go to healers or therapists for years, but kind of still feel blindfolded. Like, we don\'t really know where we\'re going. And not that not that we\'re all going to the same place. But I think there are some universal themes and the path of healing. And so I think those dropped hints really guide people through kind of an arc of transforming pain into purpose, because I think that deriving a sense of place and purpose is really imperative to just having a deeper sense of self, in this world, especially as the world becomes increasingly, you know, uncertain. You know, we be certain of our place in an uncertain world. And I think that, that is really valuable. So that\'s like the trauma and neuroscience in that map. And then I offer somatic and mindfulness based practices, which are kind of embedded in the map, but then I offer guided meditations to help us put into practice. So that\'s the mind training that, again, is helping us shift our identity from pain to, you know, the truth of who we are, and shifting from pain to possibility. And then the energy medicine component is Self Care Foundation training. So that\'s like, you know, even the map to drop pins to the meditations are kind of the GPS and then I look at the energy medicine as the vehicle so then you have the the right type of vehicle that you need for a lifetime of healing. So it\'s, you know, the combination of all the tools I have kind of, you know, accumulated over the years and how I\'ve kind of pieced them all together in a meaningful way that now I can kind of impart that to others.
Brandon Handley 29:58
That\'s awesome. So I mean, you know, Um, throughout your journey, you\'ve, you\'ve found these things that that have worked for you and with your clients. And you\'ve, as a kind of a holistic practice and manner, put this together in a way that\'s, you know, practical and applicable for would you say this is open to like a layperson? Or does somebody need to have some experience before they did tap into this course? What What\'s the Who\'s this? Who\'s this directed to?
Greg Wieting 30:24
Yeah, I mean, the course is accessible to anyone that wants to commit to healing. Yeah, I, I do you know, the later the, the more advanced trainings are for folks that want to practice energy medicine in a more professional context, but even they people can, you know, take that path. But yeah, this is an introductory course that makes energy medicine, you know, Cymatics, and mindfulness, all very practical from the get go. It\'s just really giving you have a robust set of tools, and that are complementary to other practices, or tools or treatments that you may be, you know, going through. So just helping you feel well supported along the way while equipped.
Brandon Handley 31:08
And I love it right? You know, here\'s, here\'s, one of the things I\'m just going to call out is like a burst of healers, and, you know, traumatic healers, and all these other people have come onto the scene, especially through COVID. Right? But um, you know, you didn\'t just get started in this over the past few years, can you and I bring that up, just because I want to make sure that people understand that you, you\'re well versed, you don\'t just teach this, like out of a basement to like, you know, a bunch of people smoking weed, and whatnot, like you go and you know, you\'re, you\'re hanging out, you\'re teaching this to healthcare professionals, right, what\'s the response been from health care professionals.
Greg Wieting 31:56
So I find that healthcare professionals are coming to me for a couple of reasons, either to become more well versed in trauma informed care, they can better support their patients, their clients with trauma, you know, because, you know, if they don\'t have tools to work with trauma, then they may feel kind of ill equipped to really support, you know, their patients or clients the way that they would like to. Or the other piece of that is, you know, caregiver fatigue, or secondary trauma where healthcare professionals are taking on their patients trauma, and so they\'re both related, because if you know how to hold space and support other people in their trauma, you\'re less likely to take it on. And so, yeah, and I think as caregivers, you know, I think the work too, I came to this work 20 years ago, just to heal myself, you know, I had my I was working a whole nother world in the nonprofit world. And, you know, this was not my plan. So when people come to this work, just to heal themselves and be one of my students last night, it was like, wow, I can, I can really see myself sharing this with other people in the future. So but yeah, I always had it, but it is interesting, because I have had some students who\'ve, you know, started training with me, and before the training has even started, they have the agenda to become the healer. And I, I always take pause with that. And it\'s like, not, that\'s an agenda. Like, that\'s an agenda. So if you\'re, if you\'re in it for that, like you\'re, you\'re many steps ahead, right? There. So I find that most people who are coming in all sincerity to support their themselves and to heal themselves, usually become the greatest valuable resources to support others in their healing because they\'ve taken the time to do the work for themselves.
Brandon Handley 33:54
Right. Right. Then they\'ve, they\'ve had the actual, you know, they\'ve gone through it and know what it feels like to go through the process. Right.
Greg Wieting 34:04
I mean, and that\'s so jump in. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I, I think there there\'s a beautiful thing about having healing, so accessible. But you know, I\'ve heard stories I\'ve seen it, you know, someone comes back from, you know, South America after having a plant medicine ceremony and either had this like life altering experience, and then now they\'re here to change everyone else\'s lives. And it\'s like, well, you know, you\'ve gotten a glimpse of let\'s say, God, if that\'s your context, you\'ve gotten a glimpse of consciousness or spirit or oneness, whatever that is for you. But it\'s like now that now it takes years and years to like let that become seeped into each and every cell to become seeped into like a deeper synthesis and understanding of self. So I think that\'s that\'s an important process that I think many skip you know, we
Brandon Handley 34:59
well, you know, Look, I mean, the, the awakening? Yeah, so some of those, some of those experiences, you know, and especially if you are, you\'re having those for the first time, you know, they\'re mind blowing, right? Like, everybody wants to go shout from the top of them out and write about it, but what you\'re talking about is, you know, kind of the integration piece, right, embodying that and really, really let that come in and do become it. Right versus, you know, after the novelty wears off, right, like, where are you then? Are you still in it? Is that still how you feel? Is that still true for you? And how have you integrated that into your life? It\'s, it\'s funny, right? Like, for me, it\'s funny, because I just, you know, seeing so much of it now. And you know, 20 years ago, it was, nobody\'s really talking about it. Right? And everybody\'s like, don\'t talk about it. Right? Are people gonna give you crazy eye looks? And like, you know, you shouldn\'t, you shouldn\'t be talking about that. And everybody\'s out there talking about it now. And I think that\'s great. But learn more about it. And like you\'re saying embody it and become it. You know, Greg helped me out here write something and trauma, like, everywhere now. Is it is is everything trauma? Can anything be trauma? Is the word being overused? Where are you at? With that?
Greg Wieting 36:33
Yes, I\'d say yes. And no, I mean, I just like, I think as much as there may be so many people who are moving into the healing space after just one awakening before there\'s integration. That\'s also part of maybe the process of mainstreaming this work in this consciousness, so it becomes, you know, more of the fabric of society. And so, yeah, with that, is there some, can some of that be problematic and troublesome? Sure. And yet, I think that\'s just part of how we have a growing awareness. Right. And, and then I think, over time, there does need to be a refinement of that awareness and a nuance and, and a deeper understanding as opposed to just a buzzword. Because yeah, I mean, it\'s definitely become a buzzword now. And. And so, yeah, I think we need to look at that. And I think it\'s important to then set out, you know, who we\'re doing this type of work with, you know, having trusted companions along the way.
Brandon Handley 37:40
I mean, to your point, right, like, I mean, I\'d rather, you know, people talk about it, then continue to repress it right, and not express it in some way. Right. So that there is an openness around. Trauma, period. Right.
Greg Wieting 37:57
And I think, you know, I think with, let\'s say, the me to movement, and just a lot of you know, if we bridge it out into, like, the political in this larger social cultural world, we\'re just, we\'re just seeing a lot more of the woundedness of the world, right, it\'s hard to not see it, where I think, you know, a few decades ago, you know, that was less the case, it was still kind of Hush, hush, don\'t talk about that put on, put on, you know, your best face, you know, your best Sunday dress and, and so, I think the gift in that is that when we can see the wound, we can begin to heal it. And so,
Brandon Handley 38:43
yeah, that\'s what do you think\'s allowing for that, Greg?
Greg Wieting 38:50
I mean, I can only speak from my own experience, I just think as time evolves, I just think, you know, there have been so many social political movements where, you know, people are finding that they can take up more residence and who they are, and own, you know, their lived experience and their identity and the impact that the larger world has had on, you know, the individual. And so, and, I think, finding a sense of community in that. So I think, you know, I think the lie of trauma is that we can\'t, and that we\'re isolated, and that we\'re alone, and I think the truth of healing is that we can, and were connected. And, and that\'s a powerful force. But I think that the more that that, that more that people have, you know, I think there\'s been a wave, you know, since the 60s and 70s, of like, you know, healing and consciousness, you know, happening. And so I think that\'s been happening kind of on the periphery, and I think enough of that has happened now that it\'s creating a consciousness that anything that\'s not matching that is just bubbling to the surface I just think it\'s hard to deny, you know, what is at the stage and our, our evolution, if you will?
Brandon Handley 40:10
Yeah, no, I love it. I was just gonna kind of curious what how you saw saw that, right? Because I think again, we can all we see a little bit differently. And I appreciate that perception of it right.
Greg Wieting 40:26
And you know, there\'s days where, you know, I look at the news and it\'s like, oh my gosh, the world is just coming to an end. And, and yeah, it\'s like if I kind of Mac, you know, one book I have my students read is the seven lessons of chaos, I\'m forgetting the names of the authors. But, you know, it\'s like, out of tremendous chaos comes new order. So if I look at, like, every chaotic incident in my own life, and in my own healing path, you know, as I gathered more tools and resources and support those breakdowns turned into breakthroughs, which yielded a whole new organizational intelligence within my body, my mind and my spirit, you know, a whole new vibrational intelligence more aligned to like my connection to Source, universal energy, whatever that is for each of us. So you have
Brandon Handley 41:17
a Do you remember, like, what one of those scenarios might be or an example of that.
Greg Wieting 41:23
I mean, for me, I\'m just the hero of like, just a break up, I went through that, you know, at the time felt earth shattering, but it\'s like, you know, the life I live. Now, after that, you know, 10 years later, is remarkably different, and probably wouldn\'t be possible in that old paradigm I was living, but prior to that, I couldn\'t have imagined anything different, right. So that\'s what brings us to our knees, it\'s gonna bring us to our center, and like, Colin Monroe is self. And so that\'s, you know, so, I mean, there\'s been many other iterations of that, you know, micro macro and my own journey. But, you know, if I\'m just then just just to map the fact that I no longer live with chronic pain, anxiety, depression, you know, I\'m three inches taller today than I was 25 years ago. That\'s crazy. It\'s like, I know that we can mind the goal of unresolved trauma, and there\'s like, so much wisdom, and just so much, there\'s just such a gift that we can glean from the deepest pain. So I\'m holding the vision that that\'s what, you know, we\'re, we\'re sorting through on a much more collective level. And I think, you know, there are no guarantees from seven life lessons to chaos, right? Chaos, can spit out a new organizational intelligence, or it can make a big mess of things. And I think, and I think healing, you know, there are no guarantees in life, right. And so even the thought of healing can feel risky, you know, I was having this conversation with students last night, because, you know, we\'ve we\'ve learned how to survive by often keeping so much suppressed and bottled up inside, and it could feel really life or death, if we start to, you know, let some of that out until we realize that we have the resource, the tools and the capacity to kind of let that wave flow through us and then kind of return back to ourselves.
Brandon Handley 43:21
So sure, not all of that imagery to what, um, you know, you said, you\'ve got your kind of referral network where people come through to you what\'s not like an example of someone who was not able to get healed, but has had through success through what you offer.
Greg Wieting 43:39
Yeah, um, let\'s see. Well, I mean, that one woman that I mentioned, I mean, for her, it was a bunch of autoimmune stuff, which was then tied into chronic pain, which was tied into fibromyalgia, which was turned into some neuropathy. Also tied into insomnia and brain fog, you know, so digestive issues, gut health, all of this stuff that you know, she was going to all these different specialists to treat everything as if it\'s separate. And this like, actually, why don\'t we just clear up the trauma that\'s been creating the residue that\'s not allowing your lifeforce energy to flow. And as we do that, then, you know, the connective tissue, which was storing all of your trauma, when we were as clear the trauma that the connective tissue really is functioning as like an information superhighway. So information can communicate to each and every cell or all the tissue tissues. And so, she\'s a great example of someone who was at the end of a rope, you know, literally in terms of her health and financially hadn\'t been able to get out of bed for two years. She\'s a perfect example.
Brandon Handley 44:55
So kind of mentioned, you know, she\'s up and running now. Right? Is that what you\'re saying? You know, she was able to clear clear all that out how she was able to to restore, I guess her bodily network? Is that how you would kind of say it? Yeah,
Greg Wieting 45:09
I like that imagery. Yeah, I think that, you know, again, our emotions or thoughts or muscles or tissues or cells, you know, the physiology, the anatomy, the consciousness, this should be a unified field of information that are, you know, completely in, in constant communication, and the trauma kind of short circuits, those communication pathways, so then nothing\'s functioning in relationship to anything else. And that\'s a big look at it. relationally with trauma, there\'s usually a break where we no longer feel safe in relationship to others, that we no longer feel safe in relationship to ourselves. So then that starts to get replicated within our bodies, where it\'s like, you know, our liver and our hearts and our liver and our gallbladder should be in communication with one another, they should know what the other is doing at all times, and why. And, you know, the traumas, like these different body parts and start to turn their backs on each other. Right, still doing their job, but they\'ve lost an awareness that they\'re on the same team. So I start be working in contradiction to one another.
Brandon Handley 46:22
Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, no, it\'s all it\'s all awesome, right? And I love it. So you, you, again, you provide a course where people can learn a lot of this information for themselves and try to apply it for their own well being. So I think that that\'s, I mean, that\'s fantastic. And my guess is, you know, they can go deeper on this with you as well. If they\'re so inclined. Is that true? Absolutely. Awesome. Well, Greg, I I\'ve little spot here that, um, you know, I look at this podcast is kind of like spiritual speed dating, right? Somebody\'s gonna tune in, and they\'re gonna be like, You know what, I\'ve had enough of Brandon and I\'m ready to move on. Right. And so I got a couple of questions I\'d like to ask you is you could be somebody\'s next spiritual speed date. All right, let\'s do it. You go for it. Okay, once that was up on you, good. Okay. Well, let\'s see spiritual Bachelor Number one, what does it mean to live in the present moment?
Greg Wieting 47:24
I love the idea of totality, like putting my total energy, with what with what is. And so you know, being here with you, right. But I also like the idea of choiceless awareness. So like, I\'m here with you, but you know, what, there\'s a lot of noise out on the street. So I\'m also here with that. So I\'m not trying to block that out. Because that\'s also part of my experience. So I\'m just being here in the totality of my time with you the noise on the street. And so just Yeah, being with a total total energy with what is
Brandon Handley 48:01
got it, not trying to push any one thing away, it\'s just allowing for it all to be.
Greg Wieting 48:09
Yeah, cuz if I were to try to push that noise on the street away, which I can\'t do, but if I were to try to do that, that would imply force, effort and tension, which really be, you know, the antithesis of kind of a relaxed alert awareness. And I think relaxed, alert awareness is what yields presence.
Brandon Handley 48:32
I like it. Question number two, how would God the universe, whatever you want to call it, want us to respond to aggression and terrorism?
Greg Wieting 48:46
I mean, I think first and foremost, try to get people to a place of safety. So if you\'re in the moment of a, you know, an immediate threat, try to get everyone to safety. I think, you know, understanding, I think this is where we look at like the perpetuation of wounds, you know, the intergenerational patterns that hurt people, hurt people. So we know, I think we need to take a step back and like, kind of understand why this harm is being perpetuated, and kind of, you know, not get caught in cycles of perpetrator and victim and, you know, like, stepping back from all of that, because I think in some respects, we all play our part in those roles based on the the messiness of our own lived experience. Sure, and if we can take a step back from you know, from that there\'s a lot more space for understanding.
Brandon Handley 49:51
Got it, not appreciate it. Appreciate. Great, who would you say is like kind of like your ideal client like who should be reaching out to you
Greg Wieting 50:00
I mean, I, in my heart of hearts, I\'m just here to help anyone that\'s in pain. Anyone that, you know, that mostly looks like is anxiety, depression, chronic pain. I can help people with autoimmune stuff. But anxiety, depression, chronic pain are my main wheelhouse. With that said, I do work with a lot of leaders. I\'m really committed to you know, helping leaders not lead from a trauma response and perpetuate more cycles of harm. So, I look at, you know, an opportunity that as leaders, we can become vessels of healing. And so that there\'s something about that intersection of leadership and healing that really speaks to me to kind of create kind of a new, a new evolutionary leader that\'s leading from heart leading from courage leading from consciousness, you know, a place of deeper consciousness.
Brandon Handley 50:55
Awesome. Now, thank you for that. Where should we send people to connect with you?
Greg Wieting 51:01
Prisma method.com is where folks can jump right into the course. Greg whiting which is WIET ing.com You know, people can find my one on one work and access to the course. I\'m also on Instagram, Greg underscore Whiting. So, yeah.
Brandon Handley 51:21
Thanks for being on here with us. They really appreciate you coming on and definitely appreciate the work that you\'re doing.
Greg Wieting 51:27
Thanks, Brandon. My pleasure.
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