Dr. Fred Moss - Welcome to Humanity
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Meet Dr. Fred Moss
Holistic Physician, Restorative Coach, Podcaster, Psychiatrist Expert Witness at Welcome to Humanity with Dr. Fred Moss
Dr. Fred Moss arrived on Earth on March 1, 1958, and from that very second has been earmarked to be a healer.\\xa0 The family he was born into was in chaos and, in many ways, was counting on his arrival to bring health and wellness back into balance.\\xa0 Little Freddy had his hands full, and over the next six decades, he has made it his business to bring healing to the world around him, not only to his family and friends but to the community and world at large.\\xa0 What a journey it has been.\\xa0\\xa0
Dr. Fred has had a host of life experiences, including, among other things, being a 2-time college dropout and a Northwestern University Medical School graduate (1988).\\xa0 Over the last four decades, Dr. Fred has been firmly entrenched in the mental health system, first as a child care worker and then as an internationally well-known psychiatrist.\\xa0 In addition, Dr. Fred has had leadership roles in multiple modalities, including inpatient and outpatient, homeless shelters, nursing homes, orphanages, halfway houses, drug rehabilitation centers, home visits, prisons and jails, and telepsychiatry in many regions of the USA.\\xa0\\xa0
Dr. Fred has been committed to the notion that communication, connection, creativity, and conversation are at the heart of all healing of all conditions of all types.\\xa0 Without this, people simply do not heal.\\xa0 With it, miracles regularly occur.\\xa0 Voices heal.\\xa0 Listening heals.\\xa0 We humans are best when we are connected to others, and Dr. Fred\\u2019s life mission has now become to assure that all people know that who they are and what they do matters and that their voice, no matter where they are from, or where they are going, can be heard.\\xa0
As the founder of the Welcome to Humanity movement, and the True Voice Podcasting Mastermind and methodology, Dr. Fred now finds himself making the difference he came here to make.\\xa0 His years in the community, where he has been a physician to over 40,000 patients, and his storied and adventurous life traveling around the world, has now left him uniquely qualified to remind us all of what we already know.\\xa0 Communication is where love arises from, and speaking truth and listening authentically are the source of that love.\\xa0
Dr. Fred is married to his dream partner, Alexandra, and lives in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas in Northern California.\\xa0 He is the proud father of two beautiful children in Texas and is owned collectively by his three cats, Valentino, Despacito, and Winston.
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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you\'ve questioned so much more than those around you. You\'ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in this process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can\'t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask. But he\'s the answers to questions about you. It\'s a world with people in it. Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don\'t have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let\'s get right into today\'s episode.
Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey there spiritual dope. I\'m on here today with Dr. Fred Moss, MD. He is the foremost expert on delivering your true voice into the world so that it can heal your voice matters. Your voice can heal. Dr. Freda has been actively practicing in the mental health field internationally for over 40 years and as a psychiatrist has been an unwavering stand for the transformation of prevailing disempowering conversation that encompasses the industry globally. He is a firm believer that conversation, communication, creativity and human connection are ultimately at the source of all healing of all conditions in all fields. Fred, thanks for being on today. We, we had a couple challenges, but here we are.
Dr. Fred 1:27
Now here we are a couple of challenges tends to pull people together. It\'s like being in a foxhole with a new friend. There we are, here
Brandon Handley 1:33
we are in the foxhole, then talk to Fred. Um, you know, you gave a quick, you know, we have a quick couple pieces of conversation before we got started. And one of the things that we talked about was like, You were kind of you what you said what I heard two different things, I\'m sure so well, she said was that you know, we\'re we\'re conduits for creative energy, right source energy. And and that\'s really the deal with this podcast is that you and I are going to have this conversation. And a listener is going to tune in and and they\'re going to pick up on a message that\'s being delivered through source energy through the all powerful or whatever, through you to them today that can only be delivered right now. What is that message? Dr. Fred,
Dr. Fred 2:14
I think the message is you are not mentally ill you are a human being. I think that what really got here is if pain, suffering and discomfort, frequently accompanying this particular lifetime, does not in any negative or any real way signify any kind of illness or disease. And in fact, all it really signifies is that you are a human being even in the form of exquisite pain, or even in this source, even if source by tremendous loss or fear, or anxiety, or confusion, or aimlessness, any of those things, one thing to really get is that all those experiences are exquisitely human. And if you can get away from believing that there\'s something wrong with you, if you can get away from believing that you\'re defective, if you can get away from believing that you\'re afflicted with a condition that leaves you less than another human being, I really invite our listeners to consider that that might not be the case. And what you might really be is just another one of us a human being 7.8 billion of us around here. And there\'s a good chance that you\'re one of them.
Brandon Handley 3:23
For sure, and I love that message. And man, I gotta imagine that the past couple years, with the influx of COVID, really magnified, you know, the, the thought that they might be sick or ill, whereas, like you\'re saying that they recognize that they\'re human, right, and there\'s something they can work towards. How\'s that? I mean, I\'m just curious, like, how\'s that been for you to address and see over the past couple of years with COVID?
Dr. Fred 3:51
Well, here\'s the thing, you know, even with COVID, we\'re all suffering great fears and great losses and great confusions turnovers, we\'re all having, you know, some degree of anxiety about what the next day\'s you\'re going to bring? Or what\'s going to happen next, or where are we going to have to go? Or what are we going to have to do? Or who are we going to have to be in order to deal with external events? Now, the truth is, it\'s always been the most difficult of times, it just got a little more difficult. But there was never a time in the history of the world where the people who are living thought, this is not as difficult as it gets. And the truth is, it\'s always as difficult as it gets, and it gets a little more difficult. It\'s like part of the ride. So there is a prevailing conversation out there that depression is an illness. Now, let me make this very clear, Brandon, under no circumstances in mind, diminishing the impact of being depressed. I\'m not telling depress people, and I\'m sure we have some very real depressed people who are listening, that there\'s anything They\'re making up or that it\'s less, less painful or that it\'s in their head. No, no, no, no, no, quite the contrary, what I\'m suggesting is, is extremely real. But it\'s so real as a human response to the world that we\'re living in or to the world that you\'re living with. So it is, it\'s like blaming a log for burning in a fire. If a log is burning in a fire, one thing you could do is blame the log for being flammable. Or you could get that there\'s a fire out there. And what logs do when they\'re in a fire is that they burn. And so the idea of being depressed, nervous, anxious, afraid, those kinds of things in the present times? Well, frankly, unfortunately, even though they\'re exquisitely uncomfortable, is just another piece of being a human being.
Brandon Handley 5:58
Yeah, I mean, so since we\'re, since we\'re on the topic, right of that, I\'ll first of all, I love the I love the response. Like it\'s, it\'s always the hardest of times, right? No matter where we are, it\'s always it\'s always the toughest of times. And and, you know, I think once we realize that, these are, those are the conditions we are working with, this is the toughest of times, and this is what we\'re working with, right? In terms of, you know, the people that are depressed right now. How do we get them to I guess, switch that mind frame from depressed, I punched up the word stutter, because it reminds me of a Zig Ziglar. Quote, I heard a while back talking about not Oh, Indians are some type of Indian indigenous tribe that said, you know, they didn\'t stutter, because they didn\'t have a word for it. Right? So is it because we\'ve got this word for it, and we\'ve got a context for it. Which, you know, is one thought that I\'ve got here. But how do we even just say, Alright, look, this is a human condition. What do we do next?
Dr. Fred 6:58
Well, here\'s the thing. One of the, I guess, again, I\'m not saying that if you feel depressed, you\'re not depressed. I am saying if you feel depressed, you are depressed. I get it. It\'s just not an illness. It\'s it\'s like, if you\'re cold, you\'re cold. If you\'re warm, you\'re warm. If you\'re, you know, it\'s like wherever you are, you are and depression in and of itself is not a pathological condition. Depression is an experience an emotion. And if, in fact, one is feeling depressed, it isn\'t like, oh, what should I do? Now I\'m depressed, it\'s a well, maybe the thing to do is just get your depress. But okay, so I\'m feeling depressed. Today, I\'m dealing with depressed now, or in the last week, or most last week, you know, my cat gets run over or my friend gets sick, or my, you know, I lose my job, or, or if I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Or if it\'s just overwhelmingly difficult to walk through the world today, all those things might contribute to a sense of depression. And all I\'m asking the listeners to do not to take their legs out from under them. And not to assume that because you\'re feeling something very uncomfortable, that there\'s something wrong with you. In other words, there\'s nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable.
Brandon Handley 8:26
Yeah, I think that\'s great. You know, you\'re human, you\'re going to experience these these things. And it\'s a natural reaction, natural response to certain conditions. Right. And, and, you know, hopefully, try and deal with it, and don\'t recognize it as an illness. I think that when we, when we label it as an illness, it\'s really hard to get rid of it. Right. Which is, which is one of the things that I\'m loving right now. Is this transition from things being from it being mental illness into mental health, right? I\'d love to hear I mean, you\'ve been in the industry for a little bit now. Right? How has that shaped what\'s going on in your space right now, the transits that language transition?
Dr. Fred 9:14
Right? So Different people use different phrases like mental health or mental wealth or you know, something different than mental illness or mentally ill? And it in the world of healthy you have to be a little bit careful because when you say mental health and other that\'s a much more palatable, concept and mental mental illness. What I\'m suggesting is, what if there is no such thing inherently as mental illness, that we\'re always mentally healthy no matter what we\'re feeling, even if we\'re feeling unhealthy, meaning Just because you feel unhealthy doesn\'t make you unhealthy. And just because someone else calls you on healthy doesn\'t mean, hey, Fred, I got some people who are not mentally healthy, I really get that. There are some people out there who aren\'t mentally healthy. What I\'m gonna suggest is that most of those people, most of those people have one of a few different things going on there either taking in things that are hurting them toxic items through their mouth, or through their veins, or through their nose, or even through their eyes or the ears, those things can definitely comment cause mental derangement, or mental instability, even more than life does. So that\'s one way to get mentally unhealthy. And another way to get mentally unhealthy, you\'ve already referred to is start calling yourself mentally unhealthy. And by that day, you will be mentally unhealthy. So once you acknowledge yourself as being deficient, once you assume that you\'re walking around with only half of a person, or with a person who\'s missing something called mental health or something called I don\'t know, or reuptake, you know, receptor, a receptor site or you know, some sort of neuro receptor neuro neurotransmitter. Well, then, it is precisely at that time when you accept that there\'s something wrong with you that at that moment, you start living life from there being something wrong with you. And at that point, of course, there\'s something wrong with you, because you say, so I got it.
Brandon Handley 11:38
Yeah, I mean, I jotted down here, you become the authority on yourself. Right? Even if you\'ve got some outside person telling you. Like you\'re saying she\'s telling you that you\'re not mentally stable. I think that you should be the premium. What I\'m hearing you say it\'s kind of like, you should be the one that sets that tone. Right? Yeah. And because, again, once you accept that yet, that\'s something that you go ahead and carry and you just, you kind of point to it. Well, I\'m this way because of XYZ. And always mentally healthy. I think, I think of it in this terms. And, you know, I\'d love to hear your thought on it. Right? Like, I\'m sick, if I feel like, I\'m have my body sick, but mentally, like, I feel fine, right? Like, my, there\'s no bruise on my, you know, mental health. It\'s just that my body feels sick. And my body\'s just kind of weighing it down. Is that?
Dr. Fred 12:35
Okay? So again, we start it starts via you\'re asking great questions. But what this is, look, you can feel really sick. And at that point, when you feel sick, like I can\'t think I\'m not myself. My thoughts are running ragged. And you can call that illness if you like, or you can call it what it is, which is that you feel sick, that your thoughts aren\'t running the way you wish. That\'s all okay. You want to know why those are aspects of simply being a human. They\'re just part of being human. In fact, I contend every single thing that has ever happened to you in your life is part of being human 100% of everything that has happened to you in your life is part of being human. That doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to get that.
Brandon Handley 13:34
Right. No, I mean, we land right on it. We certainly do. We certainly do. Well, I you know, appreciate you like I said hopping on here today. I did take a read through your your book, your creative eight. I thought that was pretty interesting. And I think that it ties in well, I mean, I did literally, it\'s funny. You know, we talked about synchronicities, right. And this morning, I did a quick blurb on recognizing yourself as creative, right? No matter what you\'re doing, you\'re creating something right, you\'re either doing it internally or externally. And you hit on a couple that I certainly enjoy and recognize as creative which is, you know, when you cook, right and recognizing that it\'s just kind of like a creative endeavor, and you can find yourself in a really nice state of flow. But I\'d love for you to share with the audience who may not be familiar with you a little bit of your creative ate. And you know, how you decided to you know, throw that out there and make that when your pieces?
Dr. Fred 14:30
Sure, thank you. So creative eight, you know, healing through creativity and self expression. So what I noticed when people would say, Well, yeah, what am I supposed to do when I feel lousy? What I when I feel detached or when I feel afraid when I feel anxious when I feel hopeless when I feel you know, just generally uncomfortable? What am I supposed to do with that? What can I do that will that will allow me to again find some sense of satisfaction or joy And I noticed something that I think we all know is that is when we\'re in the action, you just spoke to it in the world of cooking, when they\'re in the action of creating, and really, this might go a little bit more towards your listenership here because it\'s, it\'s starting to butt up against the Creator, if you will duck creator. And we start getting that when we act as creators. When we act as you know, in the image of, then what happens is when we\'re dancing, or singing, or our, you know, creating art, or cooking or writing, when we\'re doing some of these things, when we\'re in the midst of doing art, music, dancing, singing, drama, cooking, writing, and gardening are the eight. Those symptoms, which I hesitate to call symptoms, those uncomfortable feelings tend to lift and we find ourselves in a creative space that is remarkably rewarding to our soul at the very moment, no matter whether we had had one of these circumstances going on, or not prior to doing it. So the creative way, eight points towards eight things that you can do, and be like in the world of art, or music, or dancing, etc. That while doing them, you get an opportunity to get relief from whatever your despair is, whatever your discomfort is, I added a couple others by the way, photography and cleaning became number nine and 10. And ultimately, there is an 11th one, and that\'s the one I use when none of that somehow the other 10 aren\'t available, which I\'m not sure how often that is because even to make music, if you take two sticks and hit the table, that\'s music, that\'s fine. And that is helping anyone do anything. So again, in the world of image of when we\'re at maximum service as humans, humans, for whatever reason, helping anyone do anything, the negative symptoms and negative frequency symptoms do tend to lift during that process. And I invite people to take just a few minutes a day to remind themselves and when they\'re doing that, there is relief available, and you don\'t have to stop it to three minutes a day, you actually could do it several times a day, you can overdose on this particular medicine.
Brandon Handley 17:22
Yeah, I love it. And I had a friend of mine, who was on the podcast, and he\'d he\'d mentioned the last one that you\'d mentioned, whenever his mother was feeling down. Or, you know, he\'d said that she would do would do acts of kindness, right? They had nothing and they would go like to other grocery stores and get bread and handed out to the needy, right even though they didn\'t have anything but it was a way that they were able to feel good. So I love I love hearing that as, as a prescription of sorts. And I love your speaking my language, right? When you\'re saying, you know, when we do this in act in the image of right, recognize ourselves as creators in the image of, you know, that that\'s to me what we\'re here in the image of not as humans, that\'s not the image that we\'re here to portray. We\'re here to portray the internal and greater spirit and the creativity, great creators that we are. Right. And the other thing you had mentioned, you only do it like about a minute a day this morning, I\'d mentioned write out the thought that any just one moment, you know, make it make it real. Because if it\'s just in your head, we all have to overcome these hurdles, like 90% of getting out there. And being creative is like, well, what if this sucks? What nobody would nobody likes my cooking? Why should I cook right? And that\'s another thing that you mentioned too, is that, hey, maybe you\'re classically trained as a pianist, maybe you\'re classically chained as a chef, and trying to eliminate. You mentioned a couple things, eliminate, like the judgment of your creativity. And then the other one that you\'d mentioned in there, which I really enjoy, too, is, uh, do something you\'ve never done before, to be a creator in a creative space in something brand new. To bring that beginner\'s mindset love to hear how you kind of got into how you made that the formula? Sure.
Dr. Fred 19:15
Well, it takes creativity to do something that you\'ve never done before. And sometimes it\'s like, you know, if you\'d like playing the same song on the piano, and you get down and you start playing that same song that you\'ve always played, you play chopsticks again and again and again and again, then that\'s not the same as being creative that\'s actually starting to fall into familiar territory. So I know when I pick up a ukulele or a harmonica, or when I pick up even an SLR camera, or if I pick up a paintbrush or, you know, sculpting tools. I\'m doing something that I\'ve never done before and by definition, whatever I do next with that tool will Being new will be different and will be in the world of creativity. So there\'s a fresh new understanding that shows up. And along with that what shows up is, I learned at that point that I don\'t know everything, and that there are some really new spaces that I\'ve never done. Because otherwise we walk around quite often thinking that we know everything we need to know to be us. It\'s true. We know everything we need to know, in order to be us. We do I get it.
Brandon Handley 20:31
Right, right. Right. Absolutely. I mean, and I think that is when we, I guess, when we experienced these, these new things that you\'re talking about, that we begin to understand that there\'s still quite a bit more to us that we need to to find, or there\'s still more to us to find out.
Dr. Fred 20:50
Mm hmm. Yeah, there is, there\'s much more to us to find out. And, you know, I like my wife likes to dance tango, and I, I\'m not officially a tango dancer. But every so often, I\'ll be like, give it a try. And I\'m kind of clumsy. That dance allows for that to some degree. And or she\'s also a painter she has, you know, she has a whole studio there with brushes of multiple sizes and paints and acrylics of multiple types. I don\'t know the first thing about, and I know that when I take those things on, and I began to really explore what\'s there for creativity, any of the negative experiences, which I experienced it I say quite frequently, in between, you know, in between events, I might fall pretty deep down rabbit hole, it\'s, look, it\'s a tough world out there. It\'s it is it\'s a tough world to live in. And feeling bad sometime during the day doesn\'t mean that I\'m sick, it only means that I\'m feeling bad. And if I don\'t want to feel bad anymore, one thing I can do is become a creator. And the easiest way to become a creator is in these, you know, sort of performing and visual arts of our music and dancing and singing and drama. And then in the kitchen of cooking, and then writing and then gardening. And that\'s, by the way different than going to a museum or reading a book. These things are not necessarily creative, although you should do them, you should go to a museum frequently, and you should read lots of books. But it\'s not in the realm of creativity that\'s more in the realm of being receptive to someone else\'s creativity. And what I\'m suggesting is writing and making art is more effective for reducing these uncomfortable experiences than going to a museum or reading a book.
Brandon Handley 22:45
Well, the thing since Cindy, here that you with all your knowledge and capabilities, and, you know, vascular fast toolkit, that you still have negative experiences. Right? I mean, so I mean, and again, but I think that\'s important for for anybody to hear, like even, you know, even the master, right, as it were, still has these human experiences, because you\'re human. And, you know, we need to understand that. This impacts everybody that when, when you have these and you\'re feeling bad, you\'re experiencing shame humanity you\'re experiencing being a human. Now, when we talk about recognizing it, you know, are you talking about like, just kind of leaning into like feeling bad just recognizing it? And are you would you recommend, hey, don\'t judge yourself for this, like, again, recognize yourself as a human, you\'re feeling bad. So what do you want to do about it? What do you take that?
Dr. Fred 23:41
Yes. So, you know, is all the don\'ts out there, they don\'t work very well. So you know, when I judged myself, I\'m also being a human. So don\'t judge judging yourself either. Every experience that you\'re having is just another example of being a human. So first of all, to your first point, I actually feel bad frequently. And I could even make a case that when I feel bad, it\'s it\'s as bad as I\'ve ever felt ever in my whole life and worse, because I apply you know, whatever I know about how to not feel bad and and when my when I break through into helplessness or hopelessness or fear, or anxiety, or depression, or aimlessness or confusion, or any kind of weirdness, or super misery or pain, or disgust or disappointment, or grief, or lack of energy, all of these negative vibrational experiences. When I go there now, it\'s deeper and darker and nastier than it had been ever it\'s not. It\'s like dude
Brandon Handley 25:00
But that but I mean, right? So I mean, why would you say that is, is it because you know, all the things that you know, and then like you still find yourself there anyways,
Dr. Fred 25:08
it\'s part of being human. What I\'m saying is, by being human, you get to experience all of human culture, when I allow myself, when I stop pretending that I\'m supposed to not feel this way. Then what I get is the whole kit and caboodle. The goal in this life might not be to feel great every minute.
Brandon Handley 25:33
Like, sure.
Dr. Fred 25:34
Can you be with feeling great about feeling terrible?
Brandon Handley 25:40
Absolutely, right. You know, I\'m a fan of Alan Watts. And I guess he goes, he\'s got the one line, you know, to know the crest, you got to know the trough. Right? Exactly. So if all we were was like, continuously happy, you are anything like how would like, I don\'t know where you live currently, but it\'d be like driving through the Midwest, right? Like, it\'s just flat and like, overtime. Like there\'s nothing here to see there\'s nothing here to see. Right. So by having those highs and the lows, we\'re gonna, we\'re gonna have different perspectives and varying perspectives. One thing we talked about Dr. Fred was, you know, you in this journey of yours, I\'m assuming you mentioned you\'ve had some spiritual breakthroughs and some spiritual moments, I know that when I experienced what I would have called when I still call it like an awakening experience. There was a question on my mind for a moment like as my losing my mind, right. So I guess where does that fall in the human experience sees? You know, suppose it spiritual awakenings or breakthrough moments, what was that look like in the professional field? And, you know, in your experience?
Dr. Fred 26:49
So can you pose the question one more time Exactly.
Brandon Handley 26:54
Like the spiritual awakenings? Yeah. Where does that fall in your professional field? A and B, have you experienced into yourself? Like, you know, again, for me, when I experienced I was like, Oh, shit, I\'m losing my mind. Right. But I was able, again, to personally, look at my history and apply it in different areas that was my mind and fell forward into it tense, you know, here we are having this conversation.
Dr. Fred 27:21
Yeah. So spiritual awakenings, you know, it\'s hard to hard to really point a finger on it, because they\'re not they don\'t lend themselves to three dimensional language. They don\'t lend themselves to linear language. So trying to put language to these things after they occur. is a it\'s a, it\'s a difficult task. It\'s not really it doesn\'t lend itself to being described. So part, you know, part of it is you almost wake up on the other side of one and go, it\'s sort of like an earthquake, you know, you wake up on the other side, like, Oh, that was a spiritual awakening. It\'s not something to plan for. It\'s something you\'ve ever had experience with before you have one. And even when you have one, it isn\'t like Been there done that I will recognize my next spiritual experience, or my spiritual awakening, and no, not at all your next spiritual awakenings coming at you. And when you experience it, you won\'t have words or description that\'s ready. So in some ways, I think what happens is there\'s an understanding during that time of eternity, or of divinity, of providence of something greater than me, that is running the show something greater than me that has it be that I was headed in a certain direction. And then x&y occurred either internally or externally. And now I\'m headed in a different direction as a direct result of that experience. And the only way I can understand that experience doesn\'t fall in some sort of reality, or rational thinking that preceded it. But it does fall in some sort of magic that was outside of the realm of imaginable. And that then gets categorized as a spiritual experience, which then, you know, sends my life careening in another direction.
Brandon Handley 29:10
Oh, you know, to your point, right, everything, everything that you mentioned, it\'s so that\'s what was true for me. In that experience, I was like, I don\'t know, didn\'t know what it was going through. It had to reach out to multiple people who I thought like I could at least express myself to one was, you know, a Buddhist monk. And another one was, you know, a couple people that were in the in the space, you know, spirituality space. And when I tried to describe it against my wife last night, the words simply didn\'t, I couldn\'t I can\'t form the words to make it happen, right to share that experience with her. And there was no way that I saw it coming. Right now, I don\'t know what the next ones are gonna look like or you know anything. I have no idea. I barely, barely. I\'m still I\'m still bowled over by the last one that happened like four or four years ago. Right? And Chase not over. So, um, for the listeners that goes through this experience, or comes to you, what do you tell them?
Dr. Fred 30:22
You might be surprised that it\'s the same answer. It\'s Welcome to humanity. You get to have those things happen, and you get to have everything happen. This is a temporary existence down here on Earth. And that\'s undeniable is frankly, the only undeniable thing of this life is that it will end on Earth anyways. So in this closed ended experience, you\'re going to have experiences that get described as a, b, c, d, e, spiritual experience, or depression, or everything in between. And I invite our listeners, when that is overwhelming as well, when your spiritual experience takes you aside, and has you just like tumble into the unknown, that that\'s just another example of being able to take on Welcome to humanity as a way of dealing with it, you know, like, wow, is to something being human. And, and in some ways, if there\'s room to show gratitude, or thanks, that might be a good space to show it.
Brandon Handley 31:31
Hello, love that. You know, and again, without the language without like, a background in it, that\'s sometimes where I land myself like is are we just, you know, as Alan Watts called, call it peopling. Right. The earth is like peopling so we\'re just, we blossom in our own time, are we people at a certain point, and this is just part of that experience. So I appreciate I appreciate that. haven\'t really had the opportunity to talk to anybody on professional level about it. So it\'s really great that you\'re on here is just kind of, to have this conversation. Is there I mean, this is what is like one question, I guess, in this space that you wish somebody would ask you that hasn\'t yet. Hmm.
Dr. Fred 32:14
Wow. Um
Brandon Handley 32:21
or, you know, Dr. For what are we? What are we? What should we be talking about that we\'re not?
Dr. Fred 32:25
Yeah, I think what we should be talking about is that the biggest crisis in the world right now, is not what we think it is. We think the biggest crisis might be I don\'t know, some of us think climate change. Other of us think racism, some thinks it\'s sex trafficking. Others think it\'s the virus. Other people think it\'s, you know, divisiveness or corruption or censorship, or, and it\'s getting close when I say censorship. You see, the biggest crisis in the world today is that we are giving up on our own voices. We are having our voices removed from us, either by us or by the world around us. There\'s a new level of constriction and contraction and restriction that has us no longer honoring our own authentic voice. So we\'re actually speaking in what we think are safe ways in order to protect ourselves in order to survive, and at the cost of sacrificing our own authentic message. So what we should be talking about, is whatever it is, that is our authentic message, we are here for a short time, what is shame to get to this life, and never actually deliver your authentic message to anyone why you were here? To me, that is the greatest crisis and the greatest tragedy on the planet at this very moment.
Brandon Handley 34:05
Yeah, I mean, that\'s, that\'s a super powerful. Right. And I think that goes back to the point of, you know, how do we are you a fan of Hawkins? Sure. David Hawkins. So he talks about his consciousness schedule, right or his consciousness bit? How do we get people to that 200 scale, right, which is courage. How do we get people to take a step into themselves and have the courage and in my mind, I think of courage and strength and love, combined right, for themselves, to begin to speak, not in safe ways, but to speak in ways that are ultimately in alignment with the truth of who they are.
Dr. Fred 34:51
I you know, there\'s some level of urgency that took us now. I think we if we look in the mirror in the morning, or any day I think we can no longer be honest with ourselves that everything is going to be okay. And we know it. Not the truth is everything is going to be okay. And we do know it. But we don\'t know what\'s going to happen next week, next month, next year. And we don\'t know that our voices become going to become somehow more available to us. I think all of us know that it\'s possible that our voice is going to become less available to us. So there comes a point where you one just has to own their ground, and say what so right now, the amount of relief and amount of power and the amount of contribution that one gives to the world when they speak their truth, no matter what it is, is quite considerable. And once I speak my truth, like I\'m attempting to do now, you know, my truth is that is about sourcing people finding their truth. Once I speak my truth, I feel like I can open the gates for other people to speak their truth, and it\'s it that\'s contagious. That\'s what contagion looks like. No, no math necessary for that one.
Brandon Handley 36:15
Right. I love it. So what when when you share this message, and you\'re, you know, maybe you\'re having coffee in a coffee shop, talking to a friend sharing this message? And and they say, you know, Dr. Fred, or Fred, you know, I don\'t how do I do that? Like, what\'s, what do you recommend to somebody just get started on that?
Dr. Fred 36:33
Yeah, well, the first thing is to really come to grips with, you\'re probably not speaking your true voice, and it\'s okay. Again, no reason, no reason to rip a hole in yourself, because you\'re not speaking your true voice. You\'re not speaking to your voice, you\'re just saying what the boss wants you to say. You\'re just saying what your wife or your husband wants you to say, you\'re just saying what the community wants you to say what your friends want you to say you\'re just saying what it is just to stay solid. So you can somehow make it back into your house at night and go to sleep. All right. Cool. It\'s fine. Now, does that life look like one you want to keep living? And when you start asking yourself that question, you start taking baby steps, you start saying things that are a little more consistent with what you want to say, that doesn\'t necessarily mean screaming at the clouds, or, or telling your boss to shove it or telling your wife you\'re leaving. That\'s not necessarily what I\'m speaking to, what I\'m speaking to is you might be able to tell these people, what\'s really going on for you. In areas where when you communicate it, the other person receives it and in such a way, are altered by your truth. Like get oh my god, this is a person, this is another human being speaking their truth. And that, like I said, has a very attractive magnetic value to it. When we speak our truth. We can even speak easier with people who disagree with us, or people who are, you know, entirely opposed to what we\'re saying diametrically opposed. And we still can be with those people. If they\'re speaking their truth, and you are doing more speaking hours, that\'s where you really can learn, listen to the people you don\'t agree with, as if you care about what they have to say, that\'s another good space to learn how to speak your truth.
Brandon Handley 38:34
I think that\'s fantastic. You know, I agree. I am personally feeling some sense of urgency, right? There\'s something there\'s a there\'s a pressure to express. Right. And, and to get that actual messages out there. So I really appreciate you sharing that and some different ways to approach it. You know, and to identify the the whole fact that, yeah, what we say is, is is is is enough to keep us safe, right? How much I don\'t know why I\'ll watch this all over my head right now today, but like, you know, I think he mentions it, I\'d rather live like a good life that I enjoyed a short one that I enjoyed, rather than a long one that was painful, right? by by by, you know, not being ever expressing the truth of who I am. And another thing that I recognize, I feel like I recognize over this past couple years of the pandemic was that nobody was spared. Right through this pressure. And this does need and looking for a place to vent and nobody was spared from ultimately being human. Right. Everybody was going through the same thing the same time. And so I think that was an opportunity for us all to bond and have some of those honest conversations. And And to your point when we can have these honest conversations. I know that I had one with, you know, my supervisor and one of my roles. I let them know I said, Hey, I got some things going on at home right now. And if I seem like I\'m a little distracted, I am, right because I got some things going on. And he\'s like, alright, well, you know, thanks for letting me know, everything\'s gonna be alright. But But I felt so relieved. Sure, empowered, that I was able to share that. Right. Um, and didn\'t you know, there was no repercussion? Real Being authentic for for sharing the truth of what\'s going on for sharing my humanity.
Dr. Fred 40:45
Right, exactly. Beautiful. I\'m glad you did that. Super great. Good example.
Brandon Handley 40:50
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And again, thanks for bringing that up. So I\'m at the point now, where I asked a couple different questions. If we\'re good to move on, right from from where we\'re at? Sure.
Dr. Fred 41:02
We are I have. I have about five, five minutes or so it phases out. Okay.
Brandon Handley 41:08
Yep. So I\'ll just get I\'ll give. I\'ll give us one. This is kind of the point in the show where I like to call spiritual speed dating, right? Okay, Fred, like somebody is gonna, it\'s always gonna tune in and hear you you\'re looking for looking for the next spiritual date. And what\'s the greatest quality humans possess?
Dr. Fred 41:26
The greatest power quality that humans possess? Is the capacity to listen and learn.
Brandon Handley 41:30
Okay? What prevent what is it that you feel prevents people from living their full potential? I think we hit on a little bit. But if you want to explain a little bit more,
Dr. Fred 41:41
we are. We are programmed for survival. And we think that by not living our true potential, we are being safer, when in fact not living to your true potential in no way gives you a safer life.
Brandon Handley 41:57
Amen. Amen. Well, look, Dr. Fred, thanks for being on today. Thanks for working through the technical kinks, as we got this thing going. Where should I send people to find out more about what you have to offer?
Dr. Fred 42:08
Well, there\'s a couple places number one, I have a website that\'s going through a revision, that\'s Welcome to humanity dotnet. And if you really want to, you know, take on this community of finding your true voice, that\'s where I\'m really spending most of my time, I would tune in to the true voice community, the true voice community on Facebook. That\'s a group that\'s building up now. And it\'s really an opportunity to grow with people who are really interested in authentic messages, no matter what they are in content. It\'s a beautiful group of people who are really interested in saying what they mean meaning what they say and learning how to listen to others. So the true voice, community as well as my you can ding me on Facebook or on LinkedIn. Those are the two places that I spend any time in social media. And then of course, I have my own podcast. Welcome to humanity podcasts that I invite people to listen to, and I got some pretty good conversations. Maybe I\'ll have you on shortly. I think that would be fun.
Brandon Handley 43:05
I\'d love it. Dr. Fred, thanks so much for being on today.
Dr. Fred 43:07
My pleasure. Thanks for having me, Brandon. It\'s been great.
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