Donnalynn Riley | Clicks and Mortar Queen
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brandon handley00:02All right, 54321 Hey there, spiritual dope. I'm on today with Donna Lynn Riley, who is a licensed spiritual health coach who helps people develop evolve and grow.
- 00:17The answers they find that their journey, bring them to a new level clarity and emotional adjustment to help them develop their expertise in business systems management and marketing.
- 00:25And addition to her 12 years as a licensed coach her background is the CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation.
- 00:31informs her ability to help her clients navigate the inner workings of business systems Operations Management and Marketing so they can successfully put it all together themselves.
- 00:42I'm going to cut it down because that, that's great. And I'm so excited because, as we're going back and forth a little bit here earlier. This is exactly what this podcast is about. So thank you for joining me today.
Donnalynn Riley00:53Oh, it's my pleasure. It's great what you're doing. It's great that you're talking about this. It's really good.
- 01:29Almost invariably people don't believe that. Right. They just go like, nah, couldn't be that I got to work harder. I gotta do more. I gotta you know think more
- 01:43I have to put out more effort. It's got a cost more. There's got to be a big, you know, emotional or financial cost to the things that I want in life and really
- 01:54Life can be so much easier than we make it. And I think that that's the benefit of of this approach of a spiritual practice that supports.
- 02:06Business life and certainly family life, when I know lots of coaches who do that as well. And, you know, really kind of make it better, just make your life better.
- 02:30In one of your one of your videos right and helping once you tell people use that story real quick here right now. I love that story about just what you said there.
- 02:41Do you remember so so I'll take it away. So you were around 19 your brothers like 10 years old or new
- 02:47Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
- 02:50Yeah yeah
- 02:54I was like I was there a long time. I don't know.
- 02:59How easy how easy sometimes
- 03:01For you.
- 03:11You know, I'm just out the gate. Right. But I'm 10 foot tall and bulletproof because so was everybody when you're 19
- 03:22You know, you just think like everything's okay and it's going to work out for me and I kind of lived my life like that really clearly I wanted, and I got things I wanted them and they lined up.
- 03:35So, um, I found myself on on Broadway, which I totally expected right because I wanted it. So, and I didn't know any better, and
- 03:46And my brother who's 10 years older than I am. He, he knew better. And he is a he is still actually a scenic artist. And so I was a sound designer. He was a scenic artist and
- 04:01He was working down the block. So I was working on Angels in America, and he was working on City of Angels, which I love that. But there were all these angel references. That's kind of
- 04:24And he said, Let's go for lunch. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Yeah, owning the town, you know, in my, in my own head, right.
- 04:32Sure. And he said, you, you. He's walking me to the to the place to get something to eat and
- 04:40He said, You just don't have any idea what it costs to get here. You don't have any idea what these people around you have had to do to get where they want to go and in typical sort of 19 year old fashion. I thought, nope.
- 05:00Sure, you know, really, for me, I realized that it is a story that's centered around entitlement. Right, so it's not very popular this moment, but
- 05:10Being able to see yourself.
- 05:13In the position that you want to be to be able to know that these are things that can happen for you as well as somebody else because
- 05:24You put the work in and you are talented and you did you know you met the right people and you were in the right place and you took the all the steps to get there.
- 05:37You do not need. All right.
- 05:39All right, but they send you home.
- 05:43I think that um I love how you're hitting on entitlement in this insane and in this way because why should it not
- 05:53Backup people like people bash millennials for kind of having like that kind of entitlement thing. Right. Well, what I admire about that, you know, I think that they would say you got Moxie kid right like kinda back in, but
- 06:07You know what you want and you're not settling for something that you don't. So is that entitlement, or is that knowing your worth.
- 06:28It's a really crucial step in that process. So,
- 06:34Of course, if we want to get kind of
- 06:37Cultural about it, then we can we can sort of back it up a little and say, Well, some people have a lot of things that support the belief already in their lives when they're born, and when they're, you know, one and two and three and so it, it becomes
- 06:55There becomes a divide, but it's a divide in belief.
- 07:09Is to whether you've ever experienced that belief or not before is to help you to find that belief because without it is very, very, very difficult to get where you want to go. I, I know people who have done it. It's like they kind of stumbled into their success and that's okay.
- 07:36It doesn't sound crazy that you're going to have a successful business or that you're going to get a client that you want to or that you're going to get employees that work out well for you and things like that. I'm doing that inner work makes
- 07:51All the outer stuff kind of
- 07:52Line up real quick, like the story I just told where I went from two years or three years I spent in sound design, we're learning from the best in the business. I was already learning from the people who were there, right.
- 08:06And and and and so I was able to do that very quickly, where a lot of my classmates in college got there 1015 years later, and they worked a lot harder for something because they didn't believe
- 08:23They didn't know
- 08:23They thought, oh, I have to go out and do something else first
- 08:36Nice polish on, I want to make it feel so good. I want it to be inviting you know
- 08:40That, you know, and this isn't wrong to hire somebody in marketing, but I like I really want these pieces I wanted to look so I want it to be so accepted because it's so
- 08:48meaningful to me right so I'm putting these blocks in
- 08:53For myself, right. I'm just putting these. Oh, I gotta do this like nothing can happen until this happens and all these other things and and literally that is in my own mind, nobody else's. I mean, nobody nobody else cares. That's just me. Right.
- 09:07Right. So when you're out there.
- 09:11And your clientele and and you're working I do they seek you out for one or the other, do you introduce like you know
- 09:20To the business pressure, like, well, if you just loop in some spirituality, then this might be better for you, like, tell me a little bit how this process of working with you, looks
- 09:40That's what they do. That's what they've learned. They have a strong background or they have a strong desire but they don't necessarily have any spiritual practice at all.
- 09:49And I sort of stand between that and the people who are very spiritually open but can't figure out how to turn the computer on right
- 09:59And rent like can't figure out the details of, like, how do I charge people. And why would they pay me and
- 10:06These kinds of like nuanced things that, of course, they have a lot of talent and they have a lot of
- 10:13Value in the world, but so I do kind of stand in between those two spaces, I would say that for the most part, most of the people that I work with are
- 10:26Are on the business side but are open.
- 10:31Because okay you can
- 10:39And they have value that is beyond what I'm about to express right so this is not to disparage any spiritual practices. I think they all have a lot of value and
- 10:51But you can in a very short period of time with with not a ton of work right. You don't have to go and study with the monks for 18 years right with with putting a practice into your life. You can attain a lot of result and a lot of ease in your life.
- 11:12A lot less frustration, a lot of movement forward right so you can start to assess your situation better and access yourself in moments that are stressful better and all of these things lead to better businesses.
- 11:30But aren't always they're not really taught too often.
- 11:43If you're feeling tense right so what I'm hearing you say is like you're giving them some of these tools to to really kind of ease into themselves and what they're about.
- 12:08There are so many little what we would call hacks right there, little, like, oh, if I do this, I feel a little better.
- 12:16Right. And those are emergency hacks, you know, and they're really useful. They're a great way to get started. I think because
- 12:26Getting a little relief reminds you that you're probably going to get more relief. If you keep going in that direction. And I think that's a great place to start, particularly for people who are
- 12:41Who don't have a strong spiritual background but know that like there's something going on in my mind set or those kinds of words are being used a lot recently. Right.
- 13:01Next level space right where you do this practice, like you said, For doesn't have to be 18 years but you do it repeatedly and you start with like the mindset. You start with the small pieces and
- 13:13You keep just kind of growing into these other spaces and these other practices that are available to and sooner or later you like I guess they were all right.
- 13:31Right. So, I mean, I guess you know there's something in those things and what they're saying and what they're doing.
- 13:37But, you know, so what what led you into this pace yourself.
- 13:45You know, that's a good question. I, when I look back at my life. I see all these moments like the one that I just described when I'm like very young.
- 13:54That fit into this kind of way of thinking and this way of being. But I was really pretty unaware of myself and my spirituality until actually my husband got a life threatening disease.
- 14:15And or problem he got a tumor in his brain cavity.
- 14:20And he when he was very young. He spent a lot of time in hospitals. And so we went to the first doctor and it was a big emergency and he said, I'm getting a second opinion. And then we went to the next doctor who you know we we finagle their way into the good doctors and all of that and
- 14:43We went and he described it. And he said, Oh yeah, you have a little time because I'm very good at this. But, you know, you got to get in here in the next month or something. So it was no longer like a huge emergency we have little time.
- 14:56Sure, and
- 14:59We were driving home. It was in New York City. We live in Massachusetts. It was a long drive home. We were driving home and my husband said to me.
- 15:06Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not doing that I'm not doing that. I don't know what we're going to do, but I think you should find me another solution because I don't, I'm not going to do that.
- 15:17And that being that you just that just have him for you have been for me. I was like, oh,
- 15:23Wow, okay. That should be my job.
- 15:25Okay.
- 15:31In fairness, I'm sure he was very overwhelmed in that moment.
- 15:45Take a look at what is possible. So, and be completely outside the box. Yeah. So once I sort of had to be completely outside the box. Then the possibilities became very, very different.
- 16:00So it kicked off a series of involvements with people who could help his health and who could do it in very untraditional ways
- 16:11And also, who required of both of us that we change drastically that we, the concept that we had gotten ourselves into this mess, and that we were going to get ourselves out of this mess was not one that I heard in the doctor's office.
- 16:31Was and it was really clear and so
- 16:34And within
- 16:37A few months, we were both licensed spiritual health coaches, we probably took, I don't know, six months, nine months, something like that for that process and we said, Okay, this is this, we're leaning in because we are not going where that other train was going
- 16:59Okay, so. So that's really the beginning of when I became a much, much more aware of myself of my thoughts of my
- 17:09Relationship to the world of my discomfort that I had become just completely accepting of right I had just said, Oh, well that's the way life is, you know and and really be in that awareness, I found new answers.
- 17:37had developed an awareness, you would be, what would we call you know
- 17:43Was it
- 17:45Unconscious competence, right, like you and I were you, you were already aligning yourself and you weren't aware that you were doing it. And then once you kind of develop this newfound awareness.
- 17:56You were able to do this with intention and purpose.
- 18:15I've ever run into a thing.
- 18:18Right, I use it everything outside of me right everything outside of me. I was I was completely aware of. I didn't miss a beat. Yeah didn't miss a beat. But the awareness that I think that you're talking about today is the awareness inside. Is that fair
- 18:33That is exactly right and very hard to articulate. You did that quite well that
- 18:39People, most of the time, feel like they are aware when they start working with me, they're like, Yeah, yeah, I got that part, I need the accurate assessment. Come on, let's get to the good stuff here.
- 18:49And and that awareness that inner awareness and that ability to kind of be with yourself for periods of time in order to deepen that awareness is very important to the next steps. And so you're absolutely right that people are like, I'm aware. Let's fix my landing page.
- 19:17It's all marketing has nothing to do with what's happening.
- 19:19Right, right.
- 19:21Nothing internal happening fixed that.
- 19:25All set. So, what what is what is like when when somebody first
- 19:35Begin to develop that inner awareness.
- 19:42Sort of
- 19:47Let me go back a second here in my thinking. One of my tools that is the easiest for me to sort of give in this kind of a space.
- 19:59Is actually
- 20:00A little bit of mirror work. Now some people will know mirror work from different varieties of, you know, mindset work and spiritual work.
- 20:10The mirror work that that I find is the fastest path to to becoming present
- 20:22Which is really that first goal is just start being in your body.
- 20:29Is a piece where you literally just sit with the mirror and look in the mirror in your eyes and say I am here.
- 20:42Over and over and over. You're sort of calling to yourself. Right. So there's a lot of work that we do after that that involves breath and
- 20:53Other types of awareness that we can
- 20:55We can bring in
- 20:57But
- 20:59But that's really the the space that I find people kind of are able to bring themselves into the room a little bit and say, oh, OK. I am actually here. Let me give this a shot. I'll be president now.
- 21:27Right, so I love that. Yeah.
- 21:37They, they go like, well, I said the words and then I felt different. I don't know what happened. Right. But in fact it there. There is a deliberateness to it. That is really important that you are impacting you
- 21:53In that moment.
- 22:04laughed a little bit about it earlier, but you know, you get to wherever you are today. And I think this is what the spiritual coaches were probably telling you before you guys set the course that
- 22:13You guys made the decisions to be in that situation right as as a collective even and you you guys when you first heard that you were just like what that's done, nobody's ever said that, you know, kind of that way right to us before
- 22:29So, I mean, I'm assuming your husband still alive.
- 22:37Because, you know, so
- 22:39What happens right i mean you go in and he jumped into all this stuff, how, you know, how does it clear up on it never gets checked out again and somehow he still is what happened.
- 23:02Maybe for a year or so as you still feel like what's happening.
- 23:07And we he gets checked out again. And it's shrinking.
- 23:12Okay, and we have do have, I will say a spectacular doctor who's actually a doctor.
- 23:22It's always handy to have one on standby.
- 23:53So, so we had the guidance we had long distance guidance, because he's not right here in our backyard and
- 24:01We had long distance guidance and we did the work. And that I think is the, the key to that is to sort of have somebody who's ahead of you who can say, yeah, no, no, no. You're going in a direction. You'll be all right.
- 24:14Sure, sure. And so eventually that tumor went away.
- 24:20You would attribute that almost all to the air work was there like a dietary change.
- 24:35Well, in his particular case, it had a great deal to do with a inability to deal properly with pesticides and with wheat.
- 24:54I think there was juicing and there was a lot of things.
- 24:59Things. Right.
- 25:00Body. Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. So, and I think that's, that's interesting. The two right you know so change a die with this practice. I'm the things that are inside of you are the things that are outside of you know that this
- 25:15Miracle doesn't kind of happen on its own. You gotta, you gotta put it together and you got to maintain it and you know the things that do happen to it. Your body's a miracle. Right. It's amazing.
- 25:28And it's something like that's happening in this story right you have the ability to change that without getting i don't know i'm guessing he was getting a laser to the back of the head or something right was
- 25:41On surgery.
- 25:43can address and take goop out
- 25:47And put goop in from other part.
- 26:20Yeah, even if the other one thinks like, ah, you're just scarred, we should get you over that.
- 26:26But there is enough space. And this is an important concept in in business in the way we live our lives in general. Right.
- 26:35Is that there is enough space for us to be scarred and still have full and wonderful lives. It's kind of I think of it a lot about
- 26:45How you know how certain trees grow and they get these scars in them. And then we cut them up and we make them into coffee tables and we call them beautiful world would
- 26:54Say. Isn't that spectacular right
- 26:57Well, that's what we're making yeah in ourselves, we have experienced life and things haven't gone right and we have changed the way that we deal with things F, day after day after day and tried new approaches and had new experiences.
- 27:14And all of those things are brought into this present moment. And if you allow them then finding a new answer that. That doesn't mean you have to like check out your whole personality becomes somebody else right
- 27:36Right show. You don't have to be someone else. You can be you and you can be successful.
- 27:46Merging all this together. Right.
- 27:48But I'll say it. I love Maplewood like the birds. I'm April, right, that's kind of one of the one of the times, you're talking about right and it does become so beautiful. Right. I'm like, I'm over you're sitting right now we're turning ourselves into beautiful maple tables but
- 28:02I love, I love the story that you're telling about that. I think that that's great.
- 28:09So let's just I want is, what if some of that wasn't working at any point would didn't feel like, you know, because I don't want to get the impression that
- 28:19You shouldn't keep a doctor nearby. Right. I mean, because you guys kept the doctor nearby that right live as he was a Western medicine doctor that yes also specialize in this space.
- 28:54Because they are there, but they're only there if you calm down long enough to allow them to sort of become revealed. They weren't there in the doctor's office right only the first step, which was no I know what I don't want
- 29:16Yeah. And in fact, I think that something very important happened there because it was life threatening. Right, it's not
- 29:23It's not the same as in business where things can go right or wrong and we can find our own alignment. Right. But in this scenario. I think one of the most
- 29:35impactful things that happened was that my husband had someone to turn to and say, You figure it out because he then could go about the business of lining up with becoming well
- 29:51He didn't know how, but he had faith.
- 29:53Yeah, leaf. He said, This person loves me and they're relatively smart. They'll figure it out.
- 30:16Move forward in that direction. You know, as if it's not Nestle like I i get i get a little caught up in between, like Law of Attraction with like, you know,
- 30:28Spirituality space, right. I don't think that they're one the same. I think they're very close, but I don't I don't I don't like to make a sandwich out of, I guess.
- 30:37Um,
- 30:41It would be a shame to sort of collapse it into only one way
- 30:46Hundred percent I think that's one of the reasons that the concept of spirituality so appealing to me is that it's big.
- 31:19Let's talk a little bit more about the outside of the story. Thanks for sharing that. That was
- 31:26Was I was gonna tell it.
- 31:41So at
- 31:43I was actually the CEO of a corporation.
- 31:46Okay, so
- 31:49This was what my life was like, like my every day was going to work as the CEO of a corporation.
- 31:56Right, so, you know, to, to become to to shift perspective in this massive way and then go back to work the next day and be like,
- 32:08Oh yeah, I'm gonna do it, just the way I used to do it.
- 32:11Let them work out.
- 32:13Right, so there had to be for me a re assessing a real understanding of the business world so that and the end the specifics of my business involvement with people so that I could find peace with the
- 32:36The
- 32:38Pathway that we were on
- 32:452014 and I that the story I told. And when I got my licensure was well
- 32:55The story I told started in 2007
- 32:58Okay, so it was putting a time in their
- 33:02Right to Try concepts out to go to work and to feel differently about things and then see what happens. And now have to take action right away.
- 33:12To decide that your solution to this relationship problem with an employee with the board of directors with it. Whoever whoever you're dealing with with with the clients themselves.
- 33:27That you are going to shift that but not by going in and saying something different or doing something different and being like, I am different. Now, now you behave differently, right, which is how people love to approach it.
- 33:38Sure does not work doesn't work, just
- 33:42But to really be able to take the time to say okay I am willing to to try everything that I have learned out on myself and to teach it to my staff and to pass it along to people who come and ask for it.
- 34:02There was a lot of opportunity right now. I'm seeing a lot of people in a day. And there's a lot of opportunity and people will ask you the wildest things
- 34:10Sure. And so
- 34:14Yeah, so I had that I had that. And so that was a way for me to really shift the way that I saw business. And what I knew for a fact would work in business.
- 34:27I had a lot of knowing what didn't work. And some of what did work. I had attained a position and, you know, was filling that position. Well, and all of that. But I really was able to sort of AMP that all up by
- 34:40By being able to try these things and not know
- 34:45If they were going to work.
- 34:47And do them anyway.
- 35:04Man I know, it doesn't mean it doesn't even make sense.
- 35:06No, it doesn't. It kind of in this world.
- 35:09And and was not happy with anyone in my
- 35:15In my purview at all like not like there was no one. And so there was one particular board member who would come in and
- 35:24Kind of create difficulty. Right. It was a time of change. And I was directing the, the company in a direction that was scary and different and new
- 35:36And that was not really okay for that board and so that member would come in and and sort of undermine what was happening or stand in the way of what was happening.
- 35:49And I don't think that was the intention, but I think that it was really to look out for the company and to like really well founded. But really bad idea. And so this went on for
- 36:05Several weeks several weeks and different members of my staff kept coming to me and saying, what are we going to do this can't go on and I would have a chat and, you know, it still went on and that was the way it was. And I had tried a lot of business solutions for this.
- 36:23But one day I decided that I was going to just focus on the inner work and I spent all of my off time
- 36:34Doing that inner work and it was a process it. A lot of times people like me to sort of distill it down into one thing that I did. And certainly, I could name some things that you can do in that scenario but
- 36:48Really, the important thing was that I was no longer tied to the outcome based on yesterday.
- 36:56So that we had been through it right. This has been going on for weeks, we had tried everything we know what didn't work. We know. No, no. Right. But we didn't really we didn't because today is a new day.
- 37:09And this is a new moment.
- 37:11Right. And so once that happened once there was a disassociation with the past, then
- 37:19The process of becoming holy present and allowing the other people to become wholly present other this person in particular.
- 37:29Then the, the issues that are around, it can be dealt with and the attitude can shift. And there can no longer be. It doesn't have to be an aggressive situation, which is what had developed
- 37:41Right. But once that all dissipates. Then you can have the real conversations about the work that really should be being done in those in that scenario.
- 37:52Right, I should be held accountable for that in my position and that person should be able to say what they have to say. But there was no space for
- 38:00Any of that.
- 38:02And to east and east and east and about two weeks later, one of the gentlemen that work for me came to me and said, What did you do
- 38:13What did you do
- 38:14Well you fixed it for you, but you didn't fix it for me.
- 38:19And I said, Well, I could teach you what it was like, why can't you just fix it.
- 38:36We need to take this action immediately to for some type of corrective measure like
- 38:42Where the like where the savior of whatever is happening, they're like, well, there's no we got to fix this. Right. But you're saying though, you just kind of step back. Yeah. But some of the things just play out on their own and right
- 39:02Is a called the triple a method of transformation and that three step process is really important. Some people get one step.
- 39:12Some people get two steps, but rarely do we hear people talk about the third, the middle step right
- 39:18Right. So the first step in that is awareness and we've talked a lot about that today, which is
- 39:23Wonderful. And the third step in that is the action stage right the adaptation. What are you going to do, usually people kind of jump from one to the other and they go, they go like, yes, I'm aware there's a problem. Now I have a solution.
- 39:38And it's the middle step that is the most important and that really isn't an accurate assessment, you can't make an accurate assessment, unless you're in a receiving mode you're in a
- 39:58Listening period. A watching period a learning period right it's you can't assess something. If you think you know everything about it already.
- 40:09So you have to do the exploration that is that middle stage that's between Awareness. Awareness of yourself awareness of your situation and then
- 40:21Learning so that you can be accurate in your assessment. And that's, I think, really where most of the time it all falls apart is that the assessment is not accurate.
- 40:33Hmm. And so that's how you jump from the one step to the other step is that you go like now I got this move on.
- 40:43But you don't know yet. But there's like a guy behind the curtain run and my thing. You know what I mean.
- 40:48Sure.
- 40:49So that's
- 41:00With purpose and intention, but also, you know, I like how you bring up this you know accurate assessment piece because it was just yesterday as matter of fact I sat down with a transformational coach and
- 41:14It was what you're saying here is you can assess, but kind of like a and I feel like this is what I had done right I assess the situation quickly.
- 41:24And felt that was good enough. Right. And then he goes, Well, I think, actually, you need to go one more layer deeper. Yeah. And he took me one more layer deeper. And I was like, Oh my gosh, you know,
- 41:44Therefore, ergo my assessment initially was not accurate. Yeah, that's right. Right.
- 41:53And you know we're here. We keep learning and this, this is even has to do with just, you know, if you're working with a client, they feel like they know who they are. All right. And you've got it you what you're doing is you're helping them to slow down and
- 42:07Truly learn who they really are. Yeah.
- 42:18To talk to people is that I've stood someplace. Very, very similar to where they're standing and so that feeling like I know especially having some early success.
- 42:30Right, sure. No, I do. No.
- 42:33No, I did it. I know how to do it. No, no, actually you don't
- 42:39Because you did it, but you didn't know how you did it.
- 42:41Yeah, you did it, but you can't repeat it, and
- 42:46Source, all of that.
- 42:50But it's looking those steps and and and i think that we've been fortunate, right, like a laughed at the beginning how there's, you know,
- 43:00There's pathways for us to take you know that the plenty of people have done this before us. We're not the first people to show up like I got this.
- 43:08Follow me like there's no whole whole society is built on this and
- 43:13We're lucky that we've got that available to us right that framework, the possibility to kind of
- 43:18Go to even you right or you know your spiritual coaches to run them in the first time, like there's a whole nother way.
- 43:25And it fits into this and, oh, I can get the same results by but but by doing it this way instead of this other brash like I'm going to take the bull by the horns and crush everybody mentality. Right. Yeah.
- 43:54I knew some of the properties of things. And I would you know give myself cold medicine by eating the garlic or whatever it was. Right, sure, and and
- 44:03I got that there was, I knew about herbs and spices that there were in different parts of the world, they would do the same things, but be totally different plans.
- 44:13And I was like,
- 44:14Oh, I don't really get why that's true, that you can take turmeric from India and you can take, you know, yarrow from North America and you're going to get a similar thing and happening for you.
- 44:29And I, I knew that it was possible, but I couldn't make any sense of it until we got to this concept, this concept of being present and being aware
- 44:44And showing up in a new way and then taking action. Then I got, oh, there are just so many ways, right. I could have said 10 different things in that moment.
- 44:57And gotten a really similar response to that, or maybe my relationship problem, like I've, I've worked with people a lot with
- 45:07business relationships where they're particularly with employees, where they're not getting the results they want with the employees and they feel like it's the employees problem.
- 45:18And that works. The first or second or third employee, but it does not work after that.
- 45:23To face a few things.
- 45:26And you can try all the techniques you want, right, there's a lot of management techniques and those i'm sure can be effective in under certain circumstances.
- 45:37But really when you're willing to do that work inside you and the technique, doesn't matter anymore because
- 45:45The result can happen regardless of the technique that you're using, sort of like that plant it's planted in a, you know, different sides of the earth, but it's helping your body because the world is meant to support us for sure that's what that's what is here for
- 46:21Yeah, so
- 46:22So I'll always always something interesting.
- 46:26Always something interesting. Geez, you said something there that I wanted to hit on but uh what you know.
- 46:34So what are some. What are some that's what's gonna say, so you're, you know, the techniques become
- 46:42More like a again a vehicle for what's inside of you, right, and that's your focal point, you're like, All right, you know,
- 46:49It's the techniques, not working. It's because I look I take to jujitsu right and oftentimes the, the deal is, I'm using a technique, but I'm also trying to put all this force power behind like
- 47:04Running grown in
- 47:06But it's when I relax and just simply apply the technique.
- 47:11That it works. I'm like, why, what this doesn't make any sense. Right. So again, it sounds like you know if you do the inner work and you figure out kind of what's in you just you just kind of let that out, Masha, but you focus it gently on the technique, it works.
- 47:34What are some of the other things that you're finding with your clients right. How are they, what's their reception been to their new selves.
- 47:48Wow. I like I'm pretty good.
- 48:33They
- 48:34Got themselves off from themselves, right.
- 48:43And then eventually at some point they say I'm not doing that anymore. And sometimes that's at retirement age sometimes that's a lot earlier.
- 48:52You're really lucky if you don't have a lot of patience for that kind of thing in your life.
- 49:08Where she came from, you know, the you work hard, you get a job you keep that job for as long as you can, it's safe. It's good. They watch out for you.
- 49:16But at what cost, right, I think you'd mentioned that to like what costs like you're the costs.
- 49:22Is you your life, your, your whole, you know, they call it grind it out for a reason. You're losing each day to the grind. So I don't want to keep you too long, but this has been, I've had a lot of fun with this conversation.
- 49:35A lot of fun with this conversation.
- 49:37Where, where should and we did talk about you do have something coming up. I want to make sure people know that you've got this, you've got this challenge come out to us talk on that.
- 49:49Workshop, or I'm
- 49:53Just loving the words just scramble away from you.
- 49:59To
- 50:10And so that's what we're going to do for five days, we're going to go through the process and we're going to really delve into that process. We talked a little bit more
- 50:19Earlier about the AAA method of transformation and get to apply some of that and really see what kind of
- 50:29changes we can make in such a short period of time for lots and lots of people to to quiet the noise to to find that space that we've been talking about and to still be wholly yourself to really embrace that you're okay, as Your imperfections and then apply that process.
- 50:51It's a very interesting process, I think.
- 50:53It will be really great to see how everybody does.
- 51:05Who is open. Yeah.
- 51:07Yeah, so this is this work is not easy. It's not like, you know, kind of, you were talking about this with talking about your wife's background and a lot of people come from a background where it's kind of supposed to be hard. And when life is not fun. They say, what is it they say they say
- 51:31Life's not supposed to be fair, I don't know.
- 51:47But anyone everyone. I hope Pro has a business involvement writing particularly I work for the most part with entrepreneurs.
- 51:57So you're the driver of your business boat, it makes it much easier. And who wants to work on something and knows that the answer is somewhere in them might they're willing to do some work for it. That is personal. That is development personal development work.
- 52:20And and really you show up with willingness and I'd be happy to guide you all the way through the process that would be great.
- 52:32You know, you've had you been a successful CEO, you started off successful businesses you sold businesses.
- 52:41And, you know, for anybody, which website. Again, Donald in
- 52:53That she knows what she's talking about. So I think that that's really exciting. And, you know, we didn't dig too deep into the business aspects of today. We just had a really great. I felt like conversation.
- 53:03But you clearly know you know what it is that you're doing. You've done the work you contains to do the work. And you know what you're putting out. I think there's no top notch really really quality stuff.
- 53:44You really you've really got the opportunity to kind of blend you're you're working at 50% of capacity. Yeah, right. So he can
- 53:51You know blend those two which which I know you can teach how to do what you get to bring to your workplace or wherever you decide to show up after you learn about who you are. It's just, it's that much more powerful. Yeah.