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Intro Guy 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you\'ve questioned so much more than those around you. You\'ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general you\'re so limited thought process Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can\'t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the question you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don\'t even have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual with your host Brandon Handley. Let\'s get right into today\'s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey, there\'s spiritual dope. I\'m on here today with Amanda cage. She is an author the author of divine messy human a spiritual guide to prioritizing internal truth over external influence. Kinesiology, this mentor, our Seipel life coach, mother and more. A recovering people pleaser and self flagellating, she walks the past channeling through the mind and messy daily, always growing, developing and learning new ways to be of being to hopefully one day leave the earth better than she found it. She lives in Melbourne, Australia with her twin flame, her children, his children and a dog named Zeus I gotta be honest with you, I may be most interested in the dog named Zeus.

Amanda Kate 1:28
I know Do you know how many times I have had mentioned by all of them? I didn\'t mention any of their names but I gave the dog name

Brandon Handley 1:37
you know let\'s you know there\'s the family there were there but here\'s the dog Zeus I don\'t know if you saw we just watched we just thought the kids and I just watched for Thor. Oh yeah, the new Marvel movie Thor and Zeus was in it very, very entertaining. So before we before we even fully take off I felt I feel like my day was like energetically disrupted right like I mean just a disrupted day. So let\'s I\'ve got I\'ve got a Tibetan Buddha you know, singing bowl that I don\'t use as often as I should let\'s just get it to get ourselves started let\'s let\'s do it. Let\'s do it man. So I like to start these off with the whole idea that you and I are like you know we\'re divine spiritual creatures. We are conduits for universal energy life source, right whatever\'s coming through us right now is for somebody\'s highest and best good can only come through us in this moment in this time and space. We\'re not you and I aren\'t even going to hear like but what\'s that message for somebody else? Today that\'s coming through right now

Amanda Kate 2:48
to breathe. I know that sounds crazy but and maybe it is because you mentioned that you know your day has been a bit crazy and all over the place and I think sometimes when we\'re feeling that way, we forget the really simple things. Breeds go feel the sun on the face go get some fresh air have a glass of water and sometimes this simple things really bring us back into our beingness rather than you know flitting around all over the place.

Brandon Handley 3:18
Yeah 100% those external things they are exactly that they\'re they\'re their external disruptors. I love that you bring up to just breathe and these simple things I also teach breathwork Right? to a group of people, several people but yeah, and today I\'m I don\'t have the book with me I\'m going through cheese I remember the guy\'s name who\'s me one of the one of the one of the breathwork coaches 21 Day damper lay that\'s what I\'m doing damn relays and today\'s today\'s breath is like you know, find a breath and just feel it right like what is the emotional charge with that breath and how can you make that breath express that without using your words so that was one of the things that I had to do for myself I didn\'t have to I got to do it today for myself and remember to do that and then he also talked about you know, get out in the sun go to some simple things and you know what I\'ve been doing recently instead of going to an office all the time we have we have we have these phones right we have 5g We can go anywhere and like work and so I just go to places a 5g found a nice park today with the willow tree and worked under that for a little while today so I can totally appreciate where you\'re coming from and I agree right go find some of those simple things. Look, let\'s talk about being divine and messy. I think I think you know if we as we grow up you and I and Western civilization on a spent some time in London so I\'m sure there was a lot of proper going on right and and really Religion and Spirituality, I don\'t think there\'s a too different, but it\'s been taught like, like Catholicism would probably come to mind when you think of the mind. Right? And you think, super clean, right? If it\'s divine, and it\'s clean and not messy, you know, where\'s where does it come up? Like, where? Where do you? Where do you land with that?

Amanda Kate 5:23
I see the divine and the mercy and everything, pretty much, you know, we\'re doing the best we can, even those people who are completely indoctrinated in religion, I think are doing the best they can, you know, even with, you know, I guess some of those elements of guilt and shame and fire and brimstone and all of that sort of stuff, people are still doing the best they can. And, and that\'s the bit that I guess I tap into, I wouldn\'t necessarily call myself religious. But I do consider myself spiritual. My interactions with God and my connection to God, the goddess is my experience. And it\'s my lived experience. And it\'s my own, I guess, communication and relationship, rather than looking at the organization of religion, the dogma and doctrine within religion. And sometimes I feel the cherry picking of lessons that I don\'t know how we get very human element to them. And again, some of that stuff is extremely messy. You know, we\'ve had some good examples of that coming out of, you know, the states in the last couple of weeks, you know, where religion is trying to get involved in certain things? And you\'re like, does it really say all that stuff in the Bible? Or is it just, you know, an interpretation? And I think that\'s where I find it really fascinating is looking at, okay, what is your interpretation of the truth? What is your interpretation of what you\'re reading? And that is where your valid truth comes from? And it\'s no less valid than my truth or anybody else\'s truth? It\'s just a different perspective to look at it from.

Brandon Handley 7:08
No, absolutely. I mean, I think the other part of this, right, is that even if you\'re reading materials, and and you\'re deeply immersed in, in the doctrine and dogma that you are challenged to, you can only come to that from your own level of understanding. Absolutely. So until like your there\'s like multi layers, right? Like, you can read the document many, many times over read the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. And then like, the next time you read it, it\'s like, it\'s like, somehow the words on the page changed. Right? You\'re like, I\'ve been reading this my entire life. Whoa, what has happened here?

Amanda Kate 7:58
100%. Right, 100%.

Brandon Handley 8:01
So you\'re now able to, though, from if I\'m hearing you correctly, that you\'ve had some of these kind of almost calm awakening experiences, experiences where, you know, for certain, you\'ve connected with source of some type, you\'ve had experiences, you\'ve got an inner lived experience, and you\'ve got your own way of kind of expressing that. And that, even if you look at this dogma, and this other doctrine, you\'re seeing it through your own eyes lived experiences, and a totally different understanding.

Amanda Kate 8:36
Yep, exactly. And there\'s no more right or wrong than anybody else\'s experience. And I think that\'s, that\'s what I\'m starting to learn and love is that, you know, I guess early on, and I\'m sure I\'m not alone in this, you do go through this? Well, my way it\'s the right way. Or, you know, this is the this is the way that we need to look at things or perhaps this is the only interpretation that could be the truth. And yet, I think this is why I love having so many conversations about it is because every single time, I get another view, another perspective of the truth. You know, I don\'t know if you remember those filament labs where there\'s a ball in the middle and all these little shiny filaments. And I look at every interaction as putting elements into that ball, so that hopefully, eventually we get to 360 degrees, you have each of those different issues and things. And so every conversation I have, I look at adding filaments to my understanding of the world from a completely different perspective. And so I actually don\'t mind having conversations with people who completely disagree with me or, you know, are on a completely different tangent because I will always learn something from them.

Brandon Handley 9:50
Yeah. You at least understand their filter. Like what\'s their filter and like, kind of what\'s that? What\'s what\'s coming out of there? Is it\'s funny because you bring up the truth, right? And I think that there\'s a truth. There\'s your truth. There\'s their truth. And then there\'s like, the truth, whatever that is, right. And we as humans, love it, I would have to say, it\'s gonna be real tough for us to ever experience the the truth, because we\'re subjective. This is a subjective experience. Right? Yeah. So I think that that\'s interesting. To go through that. Well, let\'s, let\'s also just let\'s tell people will read about you. Right, Liam, kind of what are you into? You\'ve got your book. You do the Kinesiology is what does the Kinesiology I mean, tell me all about it.

Amanda Kate 10:44
So kinesiology in Australia is a bit different from what you guys consider in over in the States. So we often, I think you guys call it applied Kinesiology. So it\'s much more about energy work. And we combine that Eastern wisdom with Western science. So it started with, you know, I guess through that chiropractic arm of things where we started realizing that the spinal nerves talk to different parts of the body. But the way that Kinesiology is put together is about, I guess, reading into the subconscious mind, and we do that through manual muscle testing. So if your muscle hold sperm, there\'s no stress, if I think of something stressful, I can\'t hold my arm up. And so we\'re looking at almost that subconscious stress, creating an electrical imbalance in the body. And that\'s what I am reading for the client or with the client and, and helping them sort of, I guess, see the physical nature. While they might say one thing that they in their conscious mind would go, this is 100% true, yet I can I can muscle test them and OB, that\'s actually not true to you, because of that subconscious programming. And that can be stuff that we\'ve picked up from our families, from friends from society, from school, from religious leaders from whomever it is who\'s had an influence on our life. And so then we sort of take them back to those stressful times. And we find the emotional resonance, why it\'s sticking in the body, why that is creating that disturbance in the field. And then we clear it through vibrational means so I use a lot of sound donor, you\'ve got the Tibetan sound bowl out, first, I will use sound, I will use vibrational essences or essential oils, so plant medicine, and bringing in those different vibrations to change that vibrational structure. So it\'s part of the somatic therapies where we\'re actually shifting out what\'s stuck in the body, and allowing people to move into new states of being from that with the conscious awareness of what their subconscious is trying to do to keep them safe. Because let\'s face it, our bodies aren\'t trying to do anything other than keep us alive and keep us safe. So every behavior pattern, every idea that we have, every behavior that we have, is actually about us staying alive and staying safe and staying safe within, you know, our tribe as we would have been born in, you know, ages ago, and obviously, some, some people are still in that community. But it\'s about being accepted by the community. And so we learn from very early on how we need to behave to be accepted within that community. And some people have great lessons, and some people have less than great lessons. But either way, we will create behaviors and patterns around that. And so what I do is work with people, I look at it as rewiring the nervous system to a new level of knowing what safety is for them. And yeah, so we do a lot of subconscious work, a lot of clearing, a lot of tapping into the body, where are you feeling this stuff, and then also resourcing their inner children. So getting them to parent, their own inner child and their own inner teenager to become more resourceful. And the more that we can parent, those inner children and in our team, the less we end up in those same reactionary pattern.

Brandon Handley 14:20
You get to take them like out of timeout. Yeah, exactly. Taken. taken your inner child out of timeout. Yeah, let it come back out to play. Yeah. So is this I gotta imagine, you know, with the work that you\'re doing, and just a brief exploration of what you\'re about. You\'ve come across David Hawkins, right. This is you know, kind of his space. Who else is really well known in this area for these these responses and are you know, when you\'re doing this kind of these He\'s tests to find the like the emotional resonance. Is it tied to like just this, this type of tapping? Is it to go to a space on the body and say, I\'m feeling it here and walk us through kind of that experience of, you know, locating, you know, I say I\'m having a good day like Tiger walkers, or like, No, I love broccoli or whatever. No, you don\'t, you know, it\'s just kind of walk us through what a scenario is like that? And what type of kind of muscle testing you can do and, you know, throw all kinds of ads in there for you. Over keeping track because I lost track. All right. Is this something that can be is it something that we can do? Through a zoom? Call?

Amanda Kate 15:51
Yes, look, I can I certainly do work online now. And it is it is that I tap into people perhaps not the way I was taught. In terms of Kinesiology, I tap More in by the way I was taught when I did some mediumship and psychic mentorship. So if you imagine, even now, you\'re vibrating at a certain frequency. So even when we\'re interacting, I am tuning in to the Brandon Handley radio station, I am finding your frequency. And you are tapping into the amount of Cait frequency because we\'re having this conversation and we want our energy fields to merge. So in addition to that, when I work online, I imagined my auric field as a massive blanket that I\'m going to throw over you to encapsulate your auric field so that I can read that information without me taking it on. Because I don\'t really I don\'t want to get you know, my shit confused with yours. Because we want to keep

Brandon Handley 16:51
we need to table that one. Right like that not taking on other people\'s emotions. How? Yeah, I think that that\'s yeah, so we\'ll bring that one back up. Go ahead. Yeah.

Amanda Kate 17:02
So especially and let\'s face it, you know, I\'ve had some pretty traumatic things that happen, you don\'t tend to move into this work without, you know, relatively rough rows. And so I want to make sure when I am working with a client that we are keeping it there stuff, we don\'t want to be clearing my stuff in there session, that\'s not what they pay me for. And that\'s not what I want to be doing. So what we do, it really depends on the session as to how things pan out. But if I touch certain points on the body, so we use a lot of their traditional Chinese medicine points, we\'ll use actually you can see some of the charts up behind me there with with those points on and we use the meridians structures, we also use the chakra systems, we talk about the auric field. So we are looking at the body as a holistic thing. So quantum physicists have proven the universe is 4% physical matter. And we look at you as a being as 100%. So when you think about taking the physical out, most people look at the physical as most of the picture. Whereas we understand that tapping into that we also have our mental self, our emotional selves, our energetic selves, our spiritual self, our psychological selves, our metaphysical self, transformational, relational, financial, all these different aspects of ourselves, tap into this thing that is us. And most people think that our subconscious is in the brain, it\'s between our ears. But our subconscious is in every cell of the body it is in our auric field, it is through every tiny piece of us that exists is the record of who we ever have been in the past who we are now and who we ever will be. It\'s all in this field. Now, I don\'t tend to look into the future because again, you have freewill choice, you can choose one path or not. I look at, you know, where you want to head to what your next step is to get there. And anything in between that I see as noise because that\'s our what is that\'s our daydreaming that\'s wishful thinking that, you know, nothing really concrete. But where are we heading? And let\'s get a really clear picture of that. Let\'s get a really good vibrational feel of what it will feel like when I get to that view. And then let\'s look down what\'s my next step to get there. And then we glance over our shoulder to see what\'s holding us back from getting there. A lot of people in healing will stand basically looking back at what\'s stopping them from moving forward, but they\'re not getting a picture on the end result of what they\'re looking to achieve when there are

Brandon Handley 19:46
a bunch of baggage around a ship to carry around with this. This is

Amanda Kate 19:51
Yeah, yeah. So again, we work through all of that kind of stuff. And what we do is, I mean, I can pretty much muscle test, you know any muscle that that\'s, you know, in your body, either by using that particular muscle, or by using what we call a surrogate. And if you think of sorry to say it\'s a different muscle, then you know, basically reading the energy of another muscle. And so, realistically, we can go through any of each of the 14 main meridians has, you know, a number of muscles associated with it. So we don\'t tend to test the ones that are easiest for the clients. A lot of them will be the bigger arm and leg muscles, because it\'s more comfortable. You know, we don\'t want you sitting in all sorts of contorted position so that we can you know, muscle test awkward muscles, but it\'s almost like, and probably the easiest one that most people can do. And if I don\'t know how easy it is for you to stand up, but if you stand up, and you think it\'s something that you love, and I\'ll stand side over, I know this isn\'t fully out, everybody. I just dropped my microphone. So if I turn around, and I go, Okay, think of something I love. My body naturally moves forward. If I think it\'s something I dislike, I\'m naturally going to move away from it. Right, right. So that is actually a really easy, I guess, way. Sorry, my microphone kept falling over, then I\'m not apologies, everybody.

Brandon Handley 21:27
Like so where, where? Where would I apply this? Right? Like, I love that one. I\'ve never, you know, here\'s, here\'s the challenge, too, right? We get like all of these different modalities, but we forget to use them. Right? I really liked that. I really, I think one of the simplest ones is like what you just described there, you know, leaning forward and leaning backwards? Where\'s where should I use this?

Amanda Kate 21:50
A really great one to do is if you\'re buying a present for someone that you don\'t know that well, I\'ve used it before for that and it has worked every time, okay, you walk into a store and you go okay, is the ideal present for that person and you get a picture of them in your mind on the left hand side of the store notes on the right hand side of the store. Okay? You know, you are simple. Yes. No answers. Okay. And, and it\'s amazing. Or if you put, say an apple and an orange in each hand, you know, one on one hand with an apple and one hand with an orange. And you feel Okay, which one would my body benefit most from right now? Your body will lean towards which one feels more right for you?

Brandon Handley 22:36
I think that would be super fun to do with like an organic apple and like a non organic apple. Yeah, right. Like, that would be great.

Amanda Kate 22:44
Yeah. I have my hands. And I can tell you in other movies

Brandon Handley 22:53
like this glass?

Amanda Kate 22:55
Yeah, always guys. No, you do not want that. And I\'m like, Yes, I really do.

Brandon Handley 23:02
Subconscious in every cell of my body, I\'ll tell you what, I get it. Um, so. Okay. So you know, we do this. We kind of we connect we do we go through some Kinesiology? I think one of the things you talk about a lot, too was your own experience wants to share that with you know, how did you get here? Right? Like, okay, great. You\'re here but like, I don\'t know, is it just like, you know, hey, I decided one day I saw an ad for Udemy and I\'m like, Kinesiology is for me, or something else happened?

Amanda Kate 23:37
Well, I I had had some pretty rough times in, in my marriage. I had a life on paper that most people would absolutely kill for. You know, I had a rich, successful husband. I had two beautiful children. We traveled around the world. I\'d lived in the UK 11 years. We then moved back to Melbourne, and I started getting really sick. So I ended up having chronic fatigue. I was needing three hour naps in the afternoon. And I was usually pretty self motivated. You know, pretty focused on on what I wanted. And first started sort of seeing a naturopath and started getting an idea outside of, I guess traditional medicine because traditional medicine my GP kept saying you\'re the healthiest sick person I\'ve seen, like, all your blood tests are fine, you\'ll be alright. They tried to put me on antidepressants and just in my heart and soul. I went, it\'s not depression, like it doesn\'t. It\'s bigger than that. It\'s and I\'m not saying that. Like for me, it wasn\'t able to be contained within that. Yes, there were probably elements of depression there. But that wasn\'t the problem. And I guess I knew that at a deep level. And so I kept sort of trying different things and getting rid of gluten getting At a dairy sort of helped a bit, but there still was so much else going on. Anyway, I had a family holiday, which ended up being quite traumatic. And so I, when I got back, I saw my GP and got a mental health care plan, so that I could go and see a psychologist. And I rang this particular psychologist, because I knew that she did mindfulness courses, I knew she did assertiveness courses. And so I signed up for her next mindfulness course, I signed in for a session with her. And the receptionist said, it\'s another six weeks away. You sound pretty stressed, you know? She said, what\'s going on for you? And I said, you know, we\'ve just emigrated to Australia and my husband\'s working in a, in a job he doesn\'t like he\'s, you know, stressed. He\'s moved away from his family, because his family were in the UK, you know, my son\'s been bullied at school, my daughter is, you know, an absolute handful. And, you know, I\'m holding it all together. And she said, who\'s got your back? And that was it. I just, I just broke into pieces. I was sobbing, I couldn\'t even answer her because I\'m like, nobody. I have nobody to lean on. And, and I didn\'t, you know, I hadn\'t really made too many good close friends. By that point. I hadn\'t. You know, I was on my own. And I had been for a very long time, having lived in the UK had children over there was not supported within my marriage was not supported, you know, terribly well, I did have some incredible friends over there. But I still just didn\'t have that support that I needed. Anyways, so she said, Well, we\'ve got a kinesiologist here, would you be willing to try it and I\'m like, never heard of that. But you know what, I\'m desperate. I need to fix myself. And I remember my first session with my kinesiology assess where she saw dollar signs and went to cheating on like, the perfect client, because I went, I need to fix myself enough to fix my marriage, because I\'m broken. That was the end, she still laughs at me about it, because she ended up being one of my teachers when I was studying. And towards the end of my degree, she\'s like, Oh, my God, I don\'t even recognize you as that woman who walked into my clinic like, crazy. And yes, she did. She said to me, in that first session, you don\'t realize how emotionally abused you are, do you? And I saw it in a lot of relationships in my life. But it took a long time to find that biggest abuser. And it was just the changing of everything. For me, within those first couple of months, I started getting a sense of me again, some of the chronic fatigue symptoms started to dissipate. I just started to feel more whole. And I was finding bits of me that I had completely suppressed, ignored, repressed, cut off through, you know, shame, or humiliation, or whatever. And I was finding all these aspects to myself that were just it was like coming home. And so within six months of that first session, I was studying kinesiology because I thought if I can just help one person, the way this has helped me, I\'ll have made a difference in the world and it\'ll be a life worth worth living. And I did, I just loved it. Every time I went into class, it was like I was remembering stuff that I knew from, you know, whether it be past lives, or whatever. It felt like it\'s really soul deep remembering. And it was it was amazing. I ended up starting my Advanced Diploma before I even finished my diploma. I overlapped them by about six months, I did all of the extras the college offered. So I did quantum neurology, which is like anxiety and depression on that quantum level. Looking at Advanced hormones and glands balances, looking at all of these different advanced techniques, as well as doing total body modification, which is like looking at all the systems of the body and how they interact with different energy points, and things like that. So it\'s been phenomenal. Like I did about six years worth of study in four years, because I just kept finding more stuff that I just wanted to know about. And the more I learned, the more I realized I didn\'t know and I just wanted to know more stuff and I think I\'m still in that state the more I know that the more I realize I don\'t know.

Brandon Handley 29:42
For sure, right there\'s there\'s a huge rabbit hole when when it comes to this stuff. Especially especially when it\'s had the impact that it has had on you, right and you\'re like, I gotta go shout this from the mountaintops. Right, everybody You gotta come try this out. Right? And then like you\'re you\'re always exploring on how to improve that how to grow in this thing. And like you said, Oh, I didn\'t know that about that. And you know, maybe you find another person that is similar, but just like just a slight sliver different and like, you chase that rabbit hole, like, like, but it all kind of comes together, right? To the point where you are, right? It\'s, it\'s all what you need to be doing what it is that you\'re doing. You know, so when you went to the nature path, I guess you\'d already gone through like the traditional path, right? And you\'d said, Alright, look, I\'ve tried this, this, this and this? The answer is I\'m getting the answers. But they just, it doesn\'t feel right. Yeah,

Amanda Kate 30:45
I wasn\'t actually getting answers. They were just, they were just trying to chuck stuff at me. I don\'t know, if they were hoping I\'d go away, or if they just didn\'t know what to do. You know, I was suffering for, say 13 days a month with my cycle. And it was all emotional based, you know, but they didn\'t pick that up, they were just trying to put me on the antidepressants. And that was literally the only answer they seem to have for me was antidepressant. So I\'m going, but that\'s not quite right. Like, that doesn\'t feel right for me. And so. And in the end, it was the best thing that could have ever happened. Because it did lead me down this path. And it did lead me to a place whereby I\'ve found exactly where I need to be. And what I needed to learn to get myself to a level of health and wellness that a few years back, I would never have thought possible.

Brandon Handley 31:40
Enough for sure. And you you mentioned, you know, where you started off, and six months later, how great of a distance or a just how much difference can occur within six months if you put in the work, right, if you you know, kind of follow some of these other ways of being. I mean, you mentioned that to like your dietary changes. Well, it had a difference if it wasn\'t it, right. But it\'s the kind of holistic practice that that brought it all together for you.

Amanda Kate 32:14
Yeah, it was it was really doing a lot of their deep emotional clearing and the psychological work. So basically, I never felt safe. And so I was constantly on edge. I was, you know, I was I was always reactive, because my nervous system didn\'t feel safe ever. So I had long bouts of insomnia. And I still occasionally get them. That\'s usually when I know that my body\'s going out of whack again, is that the insomnia returns and I\'m like, right, I\'m gonna go back and do some different work. Because you\'re not supposed to sleep deeply if you\'ve got to bear outside your cave, you know? Yeah. And so when my nervous system was Prime\'s

Brandon Handley 32:57
though it\'s funny bring that off as literally like kind of taken a snooze in the in the woods the other day, and there\'s kind of a brief one. And it\'s right across like a path where my son and I like seeing like, what may have been a bear Princess, like, you know what every noise is, like Herky jerky, all round. So you\'re right. You don\'t sleep well, when there\'s a bear out and about. You know, I think the other thing too, is like, you talk a little bit too about like the mindfulness and the assertiveness. Where, you know, where did that show up for you? Kind of like, I still remember taking a communication course where Western women in general if you\'re being assertive, you\'re being perceived as like a bitch, right? Oh, yeah. So I\'m sure that there was a lot of that there are two sounds like you were in a relationship that wasn\'t amazing. And like, you know, to assert yourself, you probably felt like you were out of line. So how, you know, I mean, talk a little bit about, you know, getting through that as well.

Amanda Kate 34:05
Yeah. Look, I think this is, this is that spectrum that we live on. We are taught that if we do anything for ourselves, that we are harming other people, generally as women, men don\'t seem to have the same messaging to the same extent. We are taught that the best thing we can be as women is selfless. And that if we are not selfless, we\'re being selfish. And the selfishness hurts other people, it damages them. It goes as far as damaging them and not just damaging them but taking away what is good in their life. If we decide to take what we need for our life, that\'s the way you know those ingrained messages go. Now, it\'s really interesting. I\'ve changed my idea on selfishness over the years one I used to think it was doing something to hurt somebody else. But when I heard abraham hicks talking about it, they said If you think about who is calling you selfish, selfishness actually doesn\'t exist. Because most of the time the person calling you selfish is wanting something from you that you\'re not willing to do or willing to give or can\'t give. But they\'re wanting it from you. So actually, is the person calling you selfish that is tending to display their selfish qualities. And I\'m like, Oh my god. Mind blown.

Brandon Handley 35:24
Yeah, that\'s such a lightbulb moment with that with that. I\'ve definitely heard her go through that as well. Yeah, definitely. Like, she like, Oh, my God. She\'s penny dropped. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, mind blown. 100%. Here\'s a space on this for a second. Oh, god, god.

Amanda Kate 35:42
Yeah. And I was just gonna say that selflessness does what it says on the tin, it makes less and less and less and less and less of ourselves. Because we are giving and giving and giving and giving and giving from resources we don\'t have.

Brandon Handley 35:56
Yeah, yeah. Somebody somebody said something to me, that kind of resonated, and I\'m still trying to figure it out. 100%. But she\'s like, if you had to sacrifice something that wasn\'t yours to begin with? Yeah. Yeah. Right, which I thought was a pretty powerful line. Yeah. And I think that\'s in line with what you\'re saying there. Right? There\'s the sand that you kind of completely diminishes and eradicate all of who you are. Yeah. Without replenishment.

Amanda Kate 36:22
Absolutely. But in the middle of the two, is actually being so full, and making ourselves a priority to fill ourselves up. And then we can give to other people from that overflow. And so in the middle of that selfishness, or selflessness, I don\'t see either of those as being a place to stand it is standing in the middle. And that is part of that assertiveness, it is part of that no, this is the space I\'m going to take off. I am going to allow myself to be in this space, I\'m going to trust that I deserve to stand here. I am also going to not just give and give and give. I\'m going to allow myself to receive. And then everybody else. Yes, absolutely want

Brandon Handley 37:05
to write had some conversations with the guy who brought that to light, too. We want to give one a good one a good one to give. I\'m such a good giver. But are you good at receiving? Right? And you kind of? Well, you if you don\'t receive you don\'t have anything to gift? Yeah, yeah.

Amanda Kate 37:27
If we think about the basics of that, we\'re doing one part of the equation through giving. So if you you know, when I talk about the masculine and feminine principles that has nothing to do with gender, it has nothing to do with sexual identity, it is just purely, you know, I guess the binary way that it is able to be described. But if you think about the mass, the male sex organs, they are out there, they\'re projective, they are giving, they can be easily seen. That\'s the masculine aspect of ourselves. So the outbreath, because it is going outward, it is the masculine breath, everything internal, the in breath, this female sex organs, it\'s receptive, it\'s hidden, it\'s mysterious, the motive, it\'s all about feeling. That\'s that feminine aspect. So if we\'re just giving, all we\'re doing is our masculine side, and we all have this inside us, we just have different percentages and different, you know, ways that we express it. But even you know, the most masculine of all the people who identify as highly masculine still have feminine aspects to them. And those people who just, you know, identify as very feminine also have masculine aspects to them. Because if we just had the feminine, we would never do anything. And if he just had the masculine, we\'d run ourselves into the ground, because we\'ve never actually stopped and just be for a bit. And so the receptivity is actually really, really important for us to balance out that feminine aspect and to replenish ourselves. So that we have enough to give, because if I\'m giving and giving, you know, if you look at all the different hats that we wear, you know, I\'m a mother, I\'m a partner, I\'m a business owner, I\'m a you know, I\'m a facilitator in in this healing space, I\'ve got all of these different things that I do. Now, if I am only giving say to my business, then I\'m actually taking energy from other areas of my life to constantly be giving to that. So I need to be giving and receiving and all of these different areas of my life, but without the receptivity part. I am purely giving from a finite resource. And that\'s when we end up running run down.

Brandon Handley 39:34
Now to present makes sense, makes sense. You brought in I talked with kind of a go back to the bear in the woods and sleep and insomnia and not being able to kind of release your your state of what is it the sympathetic mode, right being kind of stuck in fight or flight? You share it you share it on one of your I think YouTube\'s A breath work or just kind of a type of breathing that you can do to release and reset the autonomic nervous system, I would love it if you just shared that here on this podcast. You know, even if I teach stuff and share stuff, nobody listens to me. So you can share it as many times as you want. But just getting another perspective. And again, this could be, you know, that person on the other end today that maybe they just can\'t hear that from me, but they can hear from you. So yeah, absolutely.

Amanda Kate 40:34
So often, when we\'re in anxiety we breathe in through the top part of our lungs, but our lungs actually start around the second and third rib space. So if we\'re only breathing in the top part, the main bit of our lung with all of the alveoli in isn\'t actually getting the oxygen, because that comes down into these, you know, into the lobes at the very base of our lungs. So what we need to be doing is pushing that breath much, much deeper. And that\'s what people talk about in terms of belly breathing, and things like that, of course, your belly doesn\'t actually breathe, you know, there are no lungs in our belly, but we want to be pushing it down. What happens when we stay in anxiety breathing is our diaphragm actually gets caught and tightened, because it\'s not being exercised with that breath, it\'s not being pushed down. So we end up with quite a tight diaphragm, which is why a lot of people who are in long term stress feel that they can\'t breathe fully, all the time, because their diaphragm is actually caught up and stuck. So what we want to do is actually deep breathe in, and we and it works well, if you put a hand on your chest. So you can actually feel that your chest isn\'t moving until the very end of the breath. And you just push the air down deep into your belly as you can and really feel that expanding without the chest moving. And the chest full move at the end, of course, because eventually, that\'s where the air will end up in the top part of the lungs. Then as we let it out, and we only need to do three or four of those deep, deep breaths. So I tend to sort of breathe in for 1234. And then I\'ll hold for one or two. So I do quite slow breaths. I mean, look, you can count to 10, if you really want to, but I sensitive, countless less and lots like slower. So just breathe in really deeply. Hold it for a second or two, and then let it out. And I tend to make my outbreath slightly longer than my in breath. I don\'t know why I just do no right or wrong, you do what feels good for you. But breathing really deep into those into those lobes of the lungs imagining that air be pushed right down into the deepest alveoli, so then your oxygen and your blood can do that transfer so much easier. Because you\'re trying to do it where there\'s the bulk of that, that transferability. And I get people to practice things like when they\'re stuck at the traffic lights, you know, you\'re gonna get a minute or two. So you know what, every time you pull up at lights, practice two or three big deep breaths. And then you know, and the other thing I try and get them to do is actually notice what\'s going on. You know, whose turn is that next? Oh, look, there\'s a mother with a baby in a pram over there. There\'s a red car here, you know, just coming really into that present moment. So one of the things that I want to do, because I\'m trying to reduce stress in people\'s lives, the tools that I give them are there to reduce stress in their lives. If I tell you to, you know, you\'ve got to deep breathe 10 times a day. Oh, shit, there\'s another thing for my to do list and five, how am I going to fit that in? I\'m already busy enough Holy crap. And now it feels like a chore. And when it feels like a chore, we\'re not going to do it. And that\'s why I try and get people to do it in those kinds of situations where they\'re already there. Oh look, there\'s a minute or two because I have to stop because all the traffic stopped. Okay, what can I do in this moment? Let\'s bring myself back let\'s become really present. Let\'s listen to the words in the song on the radio. Let\'s do some really deep breathing Let\'s become really hyper focused on this minute right now. And then off we go again. And so it\'s about trying to knit some of those practices in to the every day and that\'s how I found my changes happened was because I would knit them in and then they would just become seamless. And you know so every morning for example when I have a shower I imagine that that water is just washing away anyone else\'s stuff that\'s attached to me anything that doesn\'t belong to me any you know hooks called seeds attachments in Wow, you know, anything that water, rinses it away, sends it back to Mother Earth for her to transmute into something beautiful. And then I\'m not just cleaning, you know, my body, I\'m also cleaning my energy field. And so it\'s ways to knit those practices in, whether it be deep breathing, or energy clearing, or whatever it is. So that it feels seamless in your day, and you\'re not just doing Oh, here\'s another thing I\'ve got to do. And here\'s another thing I\'ve got to do, and here\'s, you know, we don\'t, we don\'t need more stress, we got enough of that.

Brandon Handley 45:34
More shit to do, which is kind of fun. Especially especially when you first get started in this space. That if you\'re not already, like in personal development, or you have these spiritual practices, you\'re like, alright, you need to do this, this this and like, you have this huge list of all the shit that\'s just posted on the day, like, this is stressing me out, like how am I supposed to like gain enlightenment, like, and I\'ve got this list of shit to do. I don\'t know, if I\'m gonna get to like, you know, four or five of them. And I got like, 12 Yeah, I\'m never going to Nirvana. So, I love I love the concept too, in the idea of like, knitting it in, right? Like, I just thought about, like, you know, the fabric of your life naked and to like, you know, the fabric of your life so that it becomes seamless, it\'s there. It\'s not like, you know, a stop, and you don\'t have to stop your entire day. Pull out like your meditation blanket. And you know, wait for the do and humidity to be like, 67%. Before you can, you know, breathe easily, right? Yeah. There\'s no specific time and or space that you have to do it. Yeah, you make a conscious choice to like, pause. Or take it all in. And, and, and, you know, self fullness.

Amanda Kate 46:48
Yeah. Yeah. And it\'s doing it throughout the day, because let\'s face it, I mean, I walk my dog for an hour and a half to two hours every morning. I\'m then trying to fit in a workout to also run a business Plus, I\'ve got a family to look after, you know, my time is pretty precious right now. And okay, I could walk my dog for less, but it\'s also my exercise. And you know, there\'s a whole heap of things. I guess I could sacrifice a little bit more. But you know, my poor walk with the dog is, you know, I\'m on the beach every morning. Rain, hail or shine, you name it. I\'m there. It was three degrees this morning. I think when I was out there walking, you know, I\'m also doing cold water swimming now. So I go down into the bay. I think it\'s about nine degrees at the moment. I do about 20 minutes in the bay.

Brandon Handley 47:33
So suits are Fahrenheit. Celsius. I got Yeah, I gotta imagine Celsius. Right.

Amanda Kate 47:38
Yeah. Not nine Fahrenheit.

Brandon Handley 47:41
So cold. Sounds like, it doesn\'t stop.

Amanda Kate 47:44
Yeah, it\'s not. But you know, I\'ve got those little practices that I do. And they are my meditative times, when I\'m walking the dog at the beach, you know, it\'s pick up the ball, throw the ball, pick up the ball, throw the ball, you know, and walk, I think I do about 7k, or roughly, maybe a bit more. And then you know, it\'s the same when I\'m in the water, I have to breathe well, cuz in that cold water, it takes your breath away. I practice my breathing. And I get into this place where after about, it\'s about six or seven minutes, it stops hurting. And then it gets into this really calm, bearish. And that\'s why it feels like that. Not quite, I haven\'t gotten there yet. Thank God.

Brandon Handley 48:33
Man. I mean, I totally appreciate you being on I know. Yeah. So I got at least one book. What do you have more than one book? Because I didn\'t I didn\'t go that deep on it. But I have

Amanda Kate 48:42
one book. But there\'s also a secret book club title. So it was the same book, but I really wanted it printed under the working title as well. The the actual book itself is called Divine Mercy human. And the secret book club title is called Don\'t let that can\'t steal your bricks.

Brandon Handley 49:04
It\'s great. I think that I think I think you know, at the very least when I saw the I think I might have seen that somewhere too. And just trying to fall over. Yeah. But I really liked the divine messy house. Yeah. Right. It\'s very thick on this podcast. And what we do here is try to be approachable space, there\'s way too many motherfuckers who are like, like, again, who who put themselves at like, you know, at a level that you\'re like, Listen, I\'m just trying to have a conversation. Yeah. I don\'t know that we need to get that deep into it. All right, sometimes. Sometimes surface level conversations are real cool.

Amanda Kate 49:45
Oh, absolutely. I think the other thing is, it\'s about being relatable. And it\'s about doing stuff that\'s actually going to work like we as you said, you know, if we did all the spiritual practices that we got taught, we\'d be spending 24 hours a day In our spiritual practices, we\'re not timeframes. No time for anything else, but we live life. So yeah, I\'m so with you.

Brandon Handley 50:08
Right? Right, right. I mean, I think and look, if we look at Hinduism they\'ve got they\'ve got pretty Dagny Listen, I know that I know, it gets romanticize but like, you know, there\'s, there\'s the greenhouse, right? That\'s it, there\'s a householder, there\'s like, that\'s what you\'re doing. That\'s your life. And then there\'s the spiritual aspirant who goes and meditates in a cave. Those are your two choices. You can either live your life with your family, or go live in a cave. Yeah, right, there\'s really, it\'s really hard to kind of get the in between is trying to make it approachable. And I think that you know, what you\'ve got here is like, super approachable. And I appreciate that. So, appreciate you being on I have a couple questions for you, if you don\'t mind. So, I really do look at this as kind of like a spiritual speed dating, right? Like, so somebody\'s going to come on today. They\'re gonna be like, You know what, Brandon, this isn\'t working out anymore. I\'m ready for my next dating partner. And that could be you. So, let\'s see here. Spiritual Bachelorette number one, what is the relationship between science and religion?

Amanda Kate 51:13
At the moment, I see them as a little bit one on the same, they can both be very doctrine ated and dogma filled, or they can be done with heart and soul. And I tend to resonate more with the heart and soul in both aspects.

Brandon Handley 51:29
Just seems like, I like that right. It seems like there are these fine lines to follow, right? I\'m not sure how deep you\'ve gotten into the breath work. Who\'s Who\'s the Russian who Gamez name is escaping me right now. But the you know, who came up with all this? Work? The guy who did the math to set up like the the breathing? And radio? Yeah, to go into space, right? Yep. People trashed his work. Because it was going to interfere with other people\'s like studies that there\'s a fear that everything you\'ve learned is wrong. Yep. Yeah. Right. And you don\'t want people to find that out?

Amanda Kate 52:14
Yeah. And what is true science and true religion about for me, it\'s about curiosity and asking questions and knowing that there is no finite yes or no, that is 100%. Right are 100% Wrong. And so the best science for me keeps asking questions and is actually prepared to be wrong. And for me, it\'s the same about spirituality and religion, the number of times I have racked up and I\'ve been wrong, you know what I\'m getting better and better at owning it and being responsible for my own shit. And, and I see that within, you know, it was like the whole thing that we\'ve had fed into us over in Australia the last few years trust the science or the fact that you\'re even saying there\'s the science. For me that doesn\'t sit right because science is all about asking questions, and being prepared for different answers that don\'t fit with your paradigm and your you know, your desired outcome. And, and that\'s the exciting bit for me is is science and religion that go and keep asking questions and keep their curiosity alive and keep in touch with that childlike innocence.

Brandon Handley 53:19
No, I love it. I love it. Coup de doo doo doo doo doo doo. Let\'s go with what prevents people from living to their full potential.

Amanda Kate 53:33
I think it\'s pretty much you know, what I was writing about in my book is it\'s trusting external influences over your internal truth. And our internal truth is valid. And the way we experience the world and interact with the world is such an important thing. And so often we defer our inner knowing to other people\'s suppose it expertise, but they don\'t know us, they don\'t know our life path. They don\'t know our spiritual purpose. You know, they\'re coming with their own baggage and their own filters and their own ideas about life. And you know, what we need to learn to trust what\'s in here, our own heart and soul, and our breath work. breathwork connects us to the body and the more connected we are to the body, the more we can actually read what the body\'s trying to tell us and what our soul is trying to tell us.

Brandon Handley 54:24
You so let\'s explore that just for a second to like, when you say connect to the body, what are you saying?

Amanda Kate 54:30
Feel into it? So you know, when we\'re building up in our head, we tend to be in I call it either the wounded feminine or the wounded masculine. We\'re trying to, you know, over give over control, overthink, over, over, over, over analyze. And what happens is if you imagine a cardboard cutout of yourself as your energy field, our self point moves from this place on our chest, there\'s like a little whereas the little divot here. It\'s on our on our sternum, it\'s just under the knotch. There, there\'s like a little divot, that\'s also fine for a lot of clients at the moment who are in overthinking that they\'ll point is up around here, up around the top of their forehead, that means that energetically they are literally in their head. But also, their feet are not touching the ground, the more our feet touch the ground, and the more grounded we are, and the more in our body we are, the higher we can actually reach people seem to think that if they want to meditate, they need to just go up and they can, you know, go up like a helium balloon. But the more we tether ourselves to the ground, the higher we actually get in that aspect. And so that\'s what I mean about being in our body is being firmly anchored into the 3d reality that we\'ve chosen to be present in right now. And from that 3d reality, if we are anchored into it, we can then lift higher, and we can go into a more divine aspect of thinking, where we acknowledge our emotional self, we acknowledge our logical self. And we are able to go then above that and get our out of the box thinking happening, our intuition.

Brandon Handley 56:12
So I need to use my body to get to my brain and connect it to source me. So the thing I think about to write is like, I think about the idea of, you know, lightning, if lightning strikes, and I\'m not grounded, there\'s no where that energy to flow. So in order for energy to flow, there\'s got to be some type of grounding. Yeah, yeah, fair. That\'s the way of what you\'re saying here.

Amanda Kate 56:41
Imagine, imagine when you\'re the one I used with clients is, you know, when your batteries aren\'t quite in your TV remote, and it does nothing. You can\'t have a TV, you need both ends to be battery connected to actually do it. And so, you know, the way I look is, is one of our terminals is connected to the earth, and the other terminal above our head is connected to the heavens. If we are connected in like that we are so much more useful. And I think that\'s why they call it M body meant it\'s about being in the body. Because so many of us if you think about the language we use, or she\'s beside herself right now, energetically, often I will then find myself point, literally beside themselves because energetically that their energy system is not quite in their body properly. When we are fully embodied, we are feeling what we need to feel in this moment, we are getting the insights and intuition we need in this moment. To make more empowered, more discerning choices that are more self loving.

Brandon Handley 57:47
We think about the idea of being in alignment, right energetically being in alignment and we would think about like our body being this place over here. You kind of all need to be working together as kind of one. Okay, awesome. Awesome. Amanda Kate. Such a blast. I know we could have taken this in so many different ways. I appreciate you. You know having this conversation with me how to blasts where can people go find out more about you connect with you?

Amanda Kate 58:14
Yeah, the easiest place to start probably my website www dot Amanda kake.com.au. My book is on there and all sorts of things. I am on Facebook at Amanda Kate transformation. I am on Instagram at Amanda underscore underscore Kate and I\'ve just joined Tik Tok and having heaps of fun on there at divinely messy.

Brandon Handley 58:37
Nice. Thank you so much for being

Amanda Kate 58:39
here. Thank you so much brand has been so good and keep bringing your work into the world because it\'s so needed.

Intro Guy 58:45
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