Episode 26: Robin DiAngelo/Debby Irving - White Fragility, Obliviousness & White Allyship
b'On this episode of Speak Out With Tim Wise, Tim speaks with antiracism educators and authors, Robin DiAngelo and Debby Irving. They\\u2019ll discuss the ways in which white obliviousness to the reality of racism, and "white fragility" as DiAngelo calls it\\u2014which causes such backlash when matters of race and privilege are raised\\u2014both complicate efforts to produce racial equity in American institutions. They\\u2019ll explore how white fragility manifests, why it\\u2019s so toxic for both people of color and (ironically) white folks, and how even \\u201cnice white people\\u201d can derail conversations and efforts aimed at rectifying racism unless the phenomenon is understood and confronted.
They also discuss the inherent tensions they all feel as whites doing antiracism work, in which they confront and critique privilege, on the one hand, while most assuredly benefitting from it on the other. How should whites navigate that space? How can we do so in a more accountable way to people of color? And how have they come to see the proper role of whites in the movement for racial justice?'